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(numan) I have never, never seen those rude, aggressive signs which are so common in the USA :
KEEP OUT! TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT! But of course-of course. How silly of me. But a sign I did see awhile back was really very good: TRESPASSERS WILL BE VIOLATED
Last edited by Ken Condon; 07/29/12 12:01 AM. Reason: quote attribution
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
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"The white men were as thick and numerous and aimless as grasshoppers, moving always in a hurry but never seeming to get to whatever place it was they were going to." Dee Brown
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It's not like the zombie apocalypse is occurring in Canada. Oh wait! It is.
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Ho-hum! Once again, red herrings galore!
It is interesting how certain types of people are so obstinate in seeing only the trees, and ignoring the forest -- when recognizing the forest would make them look bad !!
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Oh come now, numan, your provocation was so obvious, and the response so obviously invited. It is unbecoming to pretend otherwise.
There is an interesting lead article in TIME directly on point. I lost my earlier post to a dead battery, but my point was/is that even though the murder has dropped dramatically over the last four decades, incidents of mass violence have continued unabated. What has continued is the effort of certain sensationalist media outlets to make national news out of local stories, keeping the false impression that such incidents are more prevalent than data indicates.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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' If there is any provocation, it is because so many Americans are so tetchy and easily offended. I am very serious in my opposition to militarism, brainwashing, and violence in general. They are evil and crimes against civilization. Everything I wrote in this thread is, to the best of my knowledge, simple fact. Gun Control and Violence in Canada[/b]Robert J. Mundt, of the University of North Carolina, points out that "Crime in America is popularly perceived [in Canada] as something to be expected in a society which has less respect for the rule of law than does Canadian society...."
"Living in a frustrating, stress-inducing environment like the United States every day of your life makes many people walking powder kegs...."
From the study conducted by Sproule and Kennett, [b]the rate of violent crimes was five times greater in the U.S than Canada, and "almost double the rate of firearm use in American than Canadian homicides"....
In short, the use of firearms "in Canadian homicides has declined since the legislative changes in gun control in 1977"....
They also noted that the "American murder rates for handguns are higher than the total Canadian homicide rate".... emphasis added
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C'mon numan, it's getting stinky in here, and I don't have a virtual shovel to clean this up. Historically, the violent crime rate in Canada is lower than that of the U.S. and this continues to be the case. For example, in 2000 the United States' rate for robberies was 65 percent higher, its rate for aggravated assault was more than double and its murder rate was triple that of Canada. However, the rate of some property crime types is lower in the U.S. than in Canada. For example, in 2006, the rates of vehicle theft were 22% higher in Canada than in the US. Since violent crimes are a smaller fraction of all crimes, the difference between the two countries is less than the homicide rate might make it seem, and the overall rates are generally close (see Crime in the United States).
Furthermore, in recent years, the gap in violent crime rates between the United States and Canada has narrowed due to a precipitous drop in the violent crime rate in the U.S. For example, while the aggravated assault rate declined for most of 1990s in the U.S. and was 324 per 100,000 in 2000, the aggravated assault rate in Canada remained relatively steady throughout and was 143 per 100,000 in 2000. In other areas, the U.S. had a faster decline. For instance, whereas the murder rate in Canada declined by 36% between 1991 and 2004, the U.S. murder rate declined by 44%. Both Saskatoon and Regina consistently have violent crime rates that would place them among the 10 most violent cities in the US, and often individually exceed larger US centres in terms of total numbers for Aggravated Assaults and Robbery ; Crime in the United States There is much that we would agree on, my friend, if your arguments weren't so larded up with excrement. So... Let's get back to that, shall we? The TIME cover story I referenced earlier can be found here: How The Gun Won (Argh, it appears that you have to be a TIME subscriber, which I am. My apologies.)
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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It appears that I missed a page or two, numan, and you were talking about some other herring.... I have to agree with that. A veritable fish mongery! Sorry to have missed the thrust.
On the other hand, it is still true that incidents of this nature seem to be regional in scope, not national, so your broad brush ad Americanum attacks are still way off the mark.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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interesting that you would corroborate my point by ignoring it
ignorance is the enemy
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interesting that you would corroborate my point by ignoring it I did not think that you had actually made a "point", pi. I thought you were simply acting out a caricacture you had generated as a result of listening to too much Limbaugh and Hannity. A poster wrote, "Maybe we need an official channel where neighbors can register their impressions about the mental state of the armed." I responded to that -- not to the actions of the killer. Yours, Issodhos
"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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