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I do not ever remember a time in my own life, either as a student or as an instructor, when Republicans were particularly popular on the college campus.

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Back in the day, we had a discussion about the draft and some of our more hawkish members argued that draftees were sh!t - and volunteers were da bomb.

Ah, well, I tried to tell them and they just wouldn't listen.

surely a sign of how far the "new left" has indoctrinated the young agasint truth justice and the american way

Ron G, it depends on the university. In 1950 Stanford University was all Republican! It was the choice of students who had perfect grades in school and money. It was also expensive and catered to the many private schools all over the State. In the last 20 years it has become increasingly Liberal and makes Berkeley look Conservative. It simply follows the trend of political points of view that is picked up by television, the music industry and movies.

I attended a Private Girls school with the daughters of the Hollywood Studio Owners, stars and crew. It was the most Republican group I ever encountered. In the mid 60's I attended some Goldwater Campaign fund raisers at Duke Wayne's home and that same Hollywood group was attending and fully behind the limited government of Goldwater.

Now that the studios are under the ownenership of Foreign corporations, everything points to the left. Never in the history of America has our voting public been so influenced by the entertainment world.

Mix that up with the lack of information on the founding of our Constitution offered in our schools and you have a natural progression into collectivism.

This should not be a shock as many writers have warned of this for many years. But the American people would rather watch television than read the old classics of warnings. The voters are their own worst enemies and they are not prepared to vote unless they understand the power behind their votes.

I remember back in the late 50s when I attended some of the Birch meetings that started out examining the founder's messages and ended up being bigotted, racist, anti-semitic and homophobic which of course is the basis for the new Republicans under Bush/Clinton/Bush.

The trend used to go from left to right and back again but today the right went too far and wants to force Jesus Christ on all Americans. I seriously doubt the party will ever regain the trust of the American people until they get off this kick of using terrorism of hell and damnation over the voters.

It is the biggest problem with my working for Ron Paul. I have been aware of all that R.S. has written about as I have read the books put out by the von Mises Institute, thanks to Lew Rockwell's guidance. I also see the opposition to this movement due to the Liberal training so many of the American People have been subjected to.

I would not have sent my own kids to Berkeley (couldn't afford Stanford) had I not had them for 17 years prior to their higher education. We studied the Constitution around our dinner table, just as I had learned about it from my grandfather. No school ever came close to the original intent of our founders in California.

America is a collectivist nation and there is no way we can even try to discuss our interpretation of freedoms. We are too late. There might be a way of oozing back into the original intent but people are more interesting in handing the government the problems of our inadequate education and financial system.

If we are destroyed by either our enemies or mother nature, I can only hope we leave behind some clues to where we went wrong. I'm a History Channel buff and see how the scientists search the ruins of dead civilizations for why they died.

My world is dying as the government takes over our lives directing our schools, diets, habits and even our choices. Big Daddy has been elected to run our lives and Big Daddy always wins. It is the first time there is no political fix. The two parties are jockeying for position to take us down. We only have to look at Europe to see the results of collectivism in action.

Sounds about right, "perfect grades and money", perfect grades alone don't do it but add in the money and you've got yourself a collegiate young republican.


Sounds like you were pretty strongly influenced by the entertainment industry.



Never? Your own experience points contrariwise.



That's a bit of an elitist statement. Considering the entertainment industry is largely owned and controlled by conservatives who have done their very best to indoctrinate everyone with conservative views. The "Librul media" is anything but, they are republican lapdogs. Despite the entertainment industries attempt to enforce a one party republican system Americans of all ages are beginning to see through the lies.
If indeed we have become a collectivist society it has been through the machinations of Republicans. The power of their votes has been explained to them as the power of removing anyone with liberal views from power.
Blaming foreign studio owners for what your party has done doesn't work for me and is Europe really such an awful place?
I haven't had a vacation in seven years, don't see one anytime in the future, they get a month a year. My health insurance is over $500 a month, theirs is a socialized Hillarycare system that seems to work pretty well. Is Europe further in debt than the US?
Are its people worse off in general? What freedoms do we have that they don't?
I respect your views, Sandy, but you seem to be blaming us lefties for what you righties have wrought.

A few points about my background. My mother was a studio musician, my dad was a producer. I grew up with the Hollywood crowd and can find no reason to excuse this. I worked in the industry as a costumer and did a lot of radio shows back in the 40s, cast as the voices of many young boy actors. This was how I was raised.

The Studios today are owned basically by the Japanese, not Europeans and they have one purpose only for their purchasing several major studios and it was to rake in as much money as possible from the newer generations. People my age are horrified at the films coming out. I have not been in a movie theater for 8 years. I had no television in my home until 1982 when the last of my kids were in college. The world of entertainment did not influence my political points of view.

We were never in awe of Hollywood because we were Hollywood and saw through the grease paint and all the hidden warts. In 1950, Stanford was a school for elite scholars. I was very proud when my kids chose the U of C system over MIT, and Stanford as both accepted their applications.

On another forum I do a running commentary on many of the old Hollywood people I grew up with as simply a point of reference showing my advanced age. I remember a lot of fun stories and share them but not here. I would be driven out of town by Reader Ranters who automatically would call me a snob.

Greger, we are who we are and I offer no apologies for my background. I was accepted at Stanford and chose not to attend because I wanted to be independent. I had spent many years in a boarding school and wanted freedom. I attended Business college and learned writing, spelling, and sentence construction. I've been a technical writer for most of my life. I am a theater freak and worked for 12 years for the actor Will Geer in his Shakespeare theater.

Greger, I do not blame the left for my problems but I would rather have kept America out of the hands of the collectivists. I'm Rand trained and often wondered if I could have made a better stand for individualism had I written more. I was busy raising kids and keeping a large home.

Sandy,
Whether or not you were in awe of Hollywood is moot. You were strongly influenced by the entertainment industry and yet blame (some of) Americas problems on those who are strongly influenced by the entertainment industry. I am rather in awe of your background and wish I coulda been there! Those must've been some incredible times. Believe me, this wasn't meant as an attack, just a few points and questions about your comments. This is one of the very few places in the world where Democrats and Republicans can speak with some civility to each other. I can see I was a bit confused on some points as you mentioned foreign studio owners and the European situation in the same sentence.
My questions are still pertinent and remain unanswered.
My granddad was a farmer, my dad a mechanic, mom was a checkout girl at the local supermarket. I have no education beyond high school and have been a self employed woodworker for 35 years. I have no television nor do I attend movies. Now you know my lofty past and may consider me a snob or not.
Just who exactly are these people you term "collectivists"?
Please accept my apologies for the seeming attack.

The only place for collectivism in American government is in areas where the "heavy lifting" is required to solve great problems or achieve incredible advances and where the solution or the advancement would benefit ALL Americans and perhaps all of mankind as a whole.
When I think of great liberal collectivist achievements I think particularly of the great 1960's space race with the Russians. I think of the Tennessee Valley Authority and its Rural Electrification Program.

Unfortunately a very DIFFERENT kind of collectivism is about to be thrust down our throats in one giant bitter pill which we have no choice but to swallow and we won't hear a word about it in the MSM, except at the very last moment and it will be sugar-coated so heavily and simultaneously veiled in shadowy threats so that either one or another majority in sufficient numbers will drown out the national debate in a chorus of upthrown hands which have been conditioned to automatically bleat in sheeple fashion when the right code words are spoken:

"For the children"
"For our security"

After all, only a sinister and unamerican evildoer would dare to oppose a measure meant to ensure stability and protect our children. I am talking about the Security and Prosperity Partnership of the Americas.
In the future, when the entire American municipal infrastructure is totally privatized and our nation resembles a dystopian Argentine nightmare it will fall to the media pundits to blame liberals and to the liberals to blame the conservatives and in this fashion we will lie utterly entangled and unable to lift ourselves from the quagmire.
Our debt money will be so severely devalued that ALL social programs will be forthwith in ruins.
We will find ourselves squarely in the crosshairs of the NEXT GREAT ATTACK on our shores at that juncture.
America will lie in utter shock and disbelief.

At such a point an ubermensch will arise who will project a vision of a utopia in which all foes will be vanquished, all needs will be met, all hungers nourished and all thirst slaked, in exchange for total fealty.

The die will be cast, and the moment will be set.

The message is the same, repeated over and over, until someone finally gets it:

"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

that made me throw up in my mouth a little bit

The only thing that can stop what you describe is for the next generations to be fully prepared academically for the fall from freedom. C.S. I do not mean fancy universtities but a cold hard look at what our founders described and R.S. discusses. Cutting through the American apathy must be done or we will end up like every other nation on the planet waiting for permission to accomplish anything.

If Americans cannot teach their own children from birth about the values of freedoms and how to keep them from Big Daddy, we will lose what Jefferson, Madison and the others designed for us. It takes a little work to go back and read their words. It is a great thing to share with our children and grandchildren.

I cannot stress enough the value of dining room table lessons shared with all members of the family. Even if it just one or children with the Mother, it can be taught but only if freedom has value. Instilling critical thinking when the kids are small could easily save the lives of those children especially when living on the San Andreas Fault. We spent part of our dinner hour discussing "what if" because not all of us were always home if a disaster struck. Living on top of the Santa Monica Mountains means earthquakes, floods, forest fires and the ability to evacuate, with the animals, essential. It's called the surival of the fittest. This is the kind of thing that matters not, who or what is in the White House. We learned the survival skills under LBJ, Nixon, Ford and Carter. We learned that the Federal Government had no interest or influence how or even if we survived. Reagan was elected during my yountest's leaving the nest for college. He was the last of my GOP votes.

My son is now in the Hollywood business of special effects and he did it without any influence of mine or anyone in my family. He simply had a good artistic flare for space ships. Jack Webb called him after seeing some of his work.

My daughter works for the U.S. Senate as a litigator but is a firm Libertarian. My older girl is a physical therapist and relies on government funds so she is a Democrat. The only Republican in the family is my son. None of us had an agenda for change at least not until Bush was elected. The point is that they all know what is wrong and are all searching for a better stand for leadership and freedom. They all see the solution in different parties. I taught them to think, not how to vote.

There is no perfect political solution as long as the voters demand Big Daddy tell them "they are doing a good job."