Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Politics In General Republicans Collapse Among Young Americans

I think it more likely to be, in both cases, the times and the places.

eh?

im not sure what you mean by this Sandy, could you please enlighten me. Or do i have to ask someones permission first?

"This is the death of conservatism."

I've heard that uttered twice, by the same left-leaning pundit: John Kenneth Galbraith. The first was after the landslide defeat of Goldwater by Johnson in 1964; the second was less than a decade later, as Nixon boarded the helicopter taking him to his self-created disgrace.

Consequently, I tend to view with considerable skepticism such sweeping political claims. :/

Such is nature of DC cockroaches...too many to stomp out...too many for the nastier cycles of (poltical) nature to remove them from our misery...always to stink...never to become ex-stink.

Like those old Hammer Film Dracula flicks of the 50s and 60s, you always knew that - no matter how well-dead he might be at the end of one film - Christopher Lee would somehow be revived to again prey on reason and the buxom.

The "price" will be that Republicans generate complete alienation among all young voters, so that none of them vote in any elections, or those who do vote for hopeless third party candidates who they are told will 'solve all our political problems" (see every single screaming headline or pundit rant on this web site for evidence of the Rove republican strategy).

The only voters left will be the Religious Right, who will never stop voting for Republicans, no matter what, because that is what Jesus wants them to do. The few Democrats left will be insufficeint to get enough votes to get beyond Republican 100% loyalty to a dictatorial Republican president, and Democrats will never be able to elect a president because of the way electoral votes are slanted toward the "Red States".

Watch and see. You are seeing that srategy unfolding right here. It will work to perfection in 2008. Those who declare they are 'fed up with both parties" will deliver the country back to the Republicans, under President Guiliani, President Thompson, or President Gingrich. Any of whom will "Stay the Course" that George W Bush as set.

Such sweeping political claims are laid waste these days by chanting the phrase "Nine-eleven!" five or six times in rapid succession and then showing a montage of emotional clips, followed by bleating sheeple who intone phrases like "Goin against the President just ain't right!"

Now add the threat of another impending attack and BLAMMO!, instant Republican majority.
Strangely enough none of this has ANYTHING to do with CONSERVATISM, and so the point is made, conservatism DID DIE many years ago and it WAS with the defeat of Goldwater.
Republicans today are NOT "conservative" by and large...it's just that simple.

JeffH in Occupied TX

C.S. Millions of Americans voted to reduce the number of Republicans found in the House and Senate. Many of us have given up voting for any Republican for any candidate. It was the disgruntled GOP that put a majority of Democrats in Congress.

But you persist in blaming the Republicans for the mess we have at this time. Where are the corrective programs and the desire for a less corrupt government? It has been 7 months that the Democrats have held the majority in both houses and yet little has been done to try to control the Bush Administration; lots of meaningless suggestions but nothing solid.

I believe that the GOP was as eager as any group to see Impeachment start against Bush/Cheney but your own leaders have chosen to let them lead in their own incompetence. The Republicans that I know want the corruption to stop and the movement of a dictator snapped in half.

The war in Iraq and the allowing the Taliban to regroup is the result of the House and Senate allowing Bush to have free reign. You have one candidate running against the Iraqi war and Hillary will make a mockery of Obama. I don't see any connection in the Democratic Party to stop the war. When questioned it is a slow and killing position they take, not wanting to make any waves in the White House. I've seen the Senate pass and approve of dangerous Justices with little regard for individual freedoms.

This leaves both parties helpless! When it resorts to insults instead of repairing the problems, we are indeed lost in the power machine that has developed in D.C.

What difference would it make if a Democrat were elected? Would it mean more debt over our heads? Would it mean a cleanup of our Immigration? Would it mean a federal government take over of our school districts? Would it guarantee honest elections? It will change only that the White House would be under another corrupt designation.

The Democrats are fighting an uphill battle called the Christian Coalition. Massive numbers of Christians will be voting without a clue what freedom means other than they will finally write the rules for America. In my opinion it is the most dangerous group we could possibly want as law makers.

Many of us here at CHB want a restoration of decency and honesty in the White House. I have been the most outspoken Republican at CHB for nearly 9 years but I am still grouped by the Liberals here as your enemy. I never turned ugly against the Democrats and have spent time and money trying to locate an honest Republican and finally threw in the towel in 1992 that there was no such thing.

Everything I learned about the Republican values has gone! I would prefer a more limited government as I fear the power found in both parties in D.C. I remember clearly Hillary's plans for new way to educate the children and it was social engineering that made me physically sick. But I'm seeing this growing in popularity of turning over all our American institutions under government control.

In 2006, I made it clear in my letters that the GOP had lost their minds keeping the Congress under the Bush Administration. When I saw who you were running against the GOP members in Arizona, I slipped back into the LP candidates.

At this time, I see little difference between the two parties except for the religious overtones from the GOP. I joined MoveOn.com and signed up with a request for information on every damn Democrat running for office and all I read is for more federal government programs for the people.

There are no more pep talks promising better government, just more of it. Do the democrats even know what upsets the American people? Do your leaders even care that the voters may simply stay home and try to forget the corruption in both parties?

I will have to admit that the Bush Administration has made no effort to listen to the people and persist in lies and manipulations simply because they can. Replace Bush with Hillary and you will get a woman in the White House who will continue the lies and manipulations taking even more freedoms away from the people. The Democrats have the win in 2008 but they will have to sell it!

Even at CHB, I see nothing of value from any of the Liberal people here. To replace evil with zero is not a win but simply a change. I would love to see a woman in the White House but having read a dozen books about Hillary, I would not want her handling our most important issues. Bush simply set up the position of President to be a Dictatorship and it was done under the approval of the Democrats.

I don't know if I'm ready for a Ron Paul President but I am not for any of those silly men running for President under the GOP. Show me why I should vote for a Democrat!

Why should you vote for a democrat? Balance. The scales have tipped too far to the right. Much as you rail against George Bush and his cronies every political stance you take is right wing conservative,
old school conservative, but right wing none the less. The only change you seem able to accept is a return to the ideals of Goldwater, excellent and admirable ideals, but not available at this time. You speak of balance often yet keep your thumb on the right wing side of the scale lest it should ever tip to the left.
Much has been done in the seven months the democrats have been allowed a voice in congress, and all has been blocked by the GOP.
The GOP eager to see impeachment? Name one congressman who would actively support it?
The war in Iraq and the regrouping of the Taliban is a direct result of Republicans backing George Bush.
You have never turned ugly against liberals? Yet you see NOTHING of value from us, that's kinda ugly, I see lots of value in fiscal conservatives but have turned ugly towards Republicans.
The GOP elected the current Democratic majority? I think not, races were extremely close, republicans voted republican, those with no party affiliation, like myself, turned the tide.
Replacing Bush with a democratic president is replacing evil with zero? Indeed, and you prefer evil over zero? I think that move alone would sway your vote, for to replace evil with zero would at least allow for more balance and a chance to catch our breath and work towards even more balance.
You haven't seen the democrats do anything in the last seven months? Waxmans office alone is handling over 20 corruption investigations, how many were under investigation 8 months ago?
They voted to bring the troops home but were obstructed by republicans. They want to insure more poor children, I know helping poor children is something you wouldn't approve of as it is a socialist(democratic) program but the numbers say it would, in the long run save money and save lives. Not so much a handout as saving money later, would that sway your vote?
More debt over our heads? With the debt currently at nearly 9 trillion, yes trillion, that's 9000 billion dollars in debt. It is hardly possible to drive us deeper into debt. Democrats simply out of necessity will become fiscal conservatives, another reason you should vote that direction.
You've read a dozen books about Hillary, were any written by democrats? Did any approve of her long years of service to the nation? Did you find absolutely nothing in a dozen books that might show her to be a decent citizen and politician? Is she so truly awful that you would cast your vote away to a third party and see one of those silly men the GOP has selected become president? Would you cast your lot with a less than perfect candidate who can win or throw it away in disgust since no republican has shown the cojones to follow your brand of conservatism?
You claimed in another thread not to be a dyed in the wool republican but have been the most outspoken republican here for nine years? You spent time and money seeking a decent Republican candidate, anything but anything to avoid switching parties. Nothing that I or anyone else could ever say would sway your vote towards a democrat, even though you mightn't vote republican nothing will convince you to vote democratic, that ma'am, is a dyed in the wool republican.

Even at CHB, I see nothing of value from any of the Liberal people here.



Sandy,
I know you've been through the process several times, and I have been very nearly tossed out on my ear for getting just a smidge disrespectful of my fellow opinionistas here. Just a heads up: it's a slippery slope!