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Unfortunately, when a police force is allowed to be militarized one ends up with ... well ... with militarized cops who tend to view themselves as being apart from and superior to the rest of us peasants.
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Issodhos I am a little confused by your point. Is it impossible to have a well regulated military? And wouldn't that be accomplished by leadership? Is it inherently true that a militarized police force cannot be as well regulated as a well led military? Must a military force inherently feel itself superior to civilians (peasants)? Might not a poorly led police force (militarized or not) feel itself superior to the peasants? Are militarized police (MPs) inherently bad? In the end, it seems to me that you can have out of control police or out of control military with the common factor of defective leadership. A marshal force that treats civilians with disdain does not do so because of a military character, but rather because of lack of discipline.
"It's not a lie if you believe it." -- George Costanza
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. --Bertrand Russel
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[quote=issodhos]Unfortunately, when a police force is allowed to be militarized one ends up with ... well ... with militarized cops who tend to view themselves as being apart from and superior to the rest of us peasants.
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Issodhos I am a little confused by your point. Is it impossible to have a well regulated military? And wouldn't that be accomplished by leadership? Is it inherently true that a militarized police force cannot be as well regulated as a well led military? Must a military force inherently feel itself superior to civilians (peasants)? Might not a poorly led police force (militarized or not) feel itself superior to the peasants? Are militarized police (MPs) inherently bad? No. Yes. No. No. Yes. Yes. Caveats: 1. "well regulated is a poor choice of words but I think I know what you are refering to. 2. "MPs" (military police) differ from militarized non-military police. In the end, it seems to me that you can have out of control police or out of control military with the common factor of defective leadership. A marshal force that treats civilians with disdain does not do so because of a military character, but rather because of lack of discipline. The mindset needed for combat and the mindset needed for law enforcement are not normally interchangable. Would it surprise you to find that elite units tend to seem themselves as superior to common folk? Or that it would be something intentionally instilled in them and be considered desirable by 'leadership'? Do you support FBI sharpshooters blowing the heads off of unarmed mothers who are holding their babies while standing in their own doorways?:-) Yours, Issodhos
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"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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At the festival, patrons told numerous horror stories about encounters that day with the Park Service Police. One young woman was pulled over because she had beads hanging from her rear view mirror. They detained her for more than an hour while they searched her car and found nothing. Another young man was stopped because he had a bolt missing from his license plate frame. When the cops found no drugs or alcohol, they ticketed him for "improper equipment."
... In 48 Hours (or possibly it was Another 48 Hours), Eddie Murphy sticks a gun into the face of a Hollywood-stereotype redneck and informs him that '...I'm your worst nightmare come true! I'm a nigger with a badge and a gun!' The nightmare of our day appears to be that we have evolved an entirely new class of people with badges and guns who regard all of us as the enemy - for the simple reason that we are not one of them.
Life should be led like a cavalry charge - Theodore Roosevelt
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I can't wait to hear tomorrow's rants as to why this is also "All the Democrats' Fault!", just like everything else.
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The nightmare of our day appears to be that we have evolved an entirely new class of people with badges and guns who regard all of us as the enemy - for the simple reason that we are not one of them. I couldn't agree more. And from my personal observations, out on the streets and in the courtroom, these folks appear to have a warped sense of entitlement that predicates this behavior and enforces the sadly ill-informed notion that "the Constitution is nothing but a GD piece of people." But go tell a cop that your rights are being violated. Yeah, do that and see where that gets you. Oh, brother, and how!
sure, you can talk to god, but if you don't listen then what's the use? so, onward through the fog!
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Yeah, do that and see where that gets you. It will get you clubbed on the head and thrown in jail, just like it would in China, Cuba or Saudi Arabia.
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Yeah, do that and see where that gets you. It will get you clubbed on the head and thrown in jail, just like it would in China, Cuba or Saudi Arabia. And this I know to be true.
sure, you can talk to god, but if you don't listen then what's the use? so, onward through the fog!
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