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If you think the Oligarchs don't pay enough taxes now, wait and see if Paul Ryan's tax plan goes through. If it does, Romney wouldn't pay 13 Percent. Nope. Not by a long shot. The Atlantic has investigated this, and Romney would get by paying 0.82 Percent. That is LESS THAN ONE Percent. Under Paul Ryan's plan, Mitt Romney wouldn't pay any taxes for the next ten years -- or any of the years after that. Now, do I know that that's true. Yes, I'm certain.
Well, maybe not quite nothing. In 2010 -- the only year we have seen a full return from him -- Romney would have paid an effective tax rate of around 0.82 percent under the Ryan plan, rather than the 13.9 percent he actually did. How would someone with more than $21 million in taxable income pay so little? Well, the vast majority of Romney's income came from capital gains, interest, and dividends. And Ryan wants to eliminate all taxes on capital gains, interest and dividends. [. . .]
Romney did earn $593,996 in author and speaking fees in 2010 that would still be taxed under the Ryan plan. Just not much. Ryan would cut the top marginal tax rate from 35 to 25 percent and get rid of the Alternative Minimum Tax -- saving Romney another $292,389 or so on his 2010 tax bill. Now, Romney would still owe self-employment taxes on his author and speaking fees, but that only amounts to $29,151. Add it all up, and Romney would have paid $177,650 out of a taxable income of $21,661,344, for a cool effective rate of 0.82 percent. OUCH. Now, that's really redistribution. It means the fair share of those revenue losses would be picked up by everyone not making huge monies every year. You know those people. The ones in the 47 percent without enough income to essentially zero out their tax liability through the largesse of Paul Ryan -- on the behalf of a Congress beholden to its benefactors. The article quoted above is by Matthew O'Brien, and can be read at The Atlantic site. Remember, these are the same people that don't want a one percent charge on financial transactions. Maybe if that sort of tax were 0.82 percent, it would be more palatable.
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Good catch. Again - why shouldn't they love America? 
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And yet Governor Willard "Mitt" Romney would still have paid more in taxes, of all kinds, than any dozen of the professional victims who support the America-hating usurper in the White House. That tells you everything right there about what's wrong with the country.
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And yet Governor Willard "Mitt" Romney would still have paid more in taxes, of all kinds, than any dozen of the professional victims who support the America-hating usurper in the White House. That tells you everything right there about what's wrong with the country. In absolute dollars, he might. That depends upon who you define as the "professional victims" who support Obama. On the other hand, the person on Social Security Disability will pay more in relative percentages, in that their tax rates are far above 0.82% for even the lowest rung on the graduated tax ladder. As always, the devil is in the details, as failing to define who has what, gets what and pays what must be defined using the same evaluation system. In addition, it is important to realize that the person disabled on the job, whose only source of income is SSI because their pension disappeared in the 2007-2008 big crash, is often self-identified as a conservative. This means that Romney dissed his own. Again. For a person that needed tax deductions and exemptions, a few small business loans, and a tax system that allowed the accumulation of huge wealth to turn around and say upon achieving great wealth, the same government that protected my factories, built roads, educated the children of employees, and pushed for the free trade that made all this wealth possible needs to look elsewhere to support those same elements of infrastructure appears to be a bad sport.
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Jeez Lil, fabulous research. What are the rest of us going to do? I have settled into a budget set by my youngest daughter who has found me a very inexpensive place to live and a fabulous place to work on my arthritis. My retirement includes a no stress condition and when I question her on my new lifestyle I get "shut up and read." She knows my frustration of never having enough time to read and she solved it. She also set me up with a Paradise for opera lovers. My satellite radio gives me 24/7 opera performances on my radio that receives on a satellite receiver and two external speakers that receive wirelessly from my computer. The only problem is a 2 second delay from one side of the house to the other. I learn to walk slowly from my office to the living room/bedroom or run like hell from one location to the other. My brain is on a 6 second delay anyway.
I think Reader Rant has figured out the same problem solving and we can either walk slowly from one thread to the other or run like hell. Nothing can be done with my brain.
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it is important to realize that the person disabled on the job, whose only source of income is SSI because their pension disappeared in the 2007-2008 big crash, is often self-identified as a conservative. This means that Romney dissed his own. Again. The truly amazing thing about all this is that those people simply do not grasp that they are among these numbers. Regardless of their circumstances, they are "the good guys". They have "earned" any hand out they are getting from government by being loyal patriotic Republicans. All blame goes to Democrats; "reverse racism" favoring Black Americans, illegals, chronic welfare recipients(even if they are among that number) single mothers who game the system(even if they are among that number). Republicans who have made every effort to make President Obama fail cry out that he has failed and must be replaced by a Republican. And the voters believe them. This is madness of a level possibly never seen before.
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Back when Bush I was running for his own named presidency, rather than the one where he pretty much ran the show, there was a book called "What's the Matter With Kansas" that spoke of people consistently voting against their own financial interests. To this day, people think they are going to get hit by the big, whopping death tax, even as it stands at $5 Million and above, and the real hard hit from the tax is over $50 Million. It only really taxes the upper 1 percent. To this day, people think that lowering taxes on the upper earners is good, even though they will work 20 years to equal one year of the top 2% in earnings taxed at a high dollar number payable to the IRS. To this day, people think that lowering corporate tax rates is good for their employers, when with deductions, the real hit is envisioned to tax the Fortune 3000, with the highest amount supposed to be paid by the Fortune 100 or 500. All of these policies that are claimed to make job creation possible by lowering taxes on big corporations are bunkum. Look at what has happened for the past 12 years. No corporation is making lots of jobs in the US. They are offering hundreds and thousands of jobs, but they are overseas and pay $1 a day or maybe $5. Tax cuts do not equate to job creation. If it did, we'd be swimming in jobs. When taxes went up, under Reagan and under Clinton, job creation went up. When government builds infrastructure using American workers, other jobs are created beyond the shovel ready projects. Jim Hightower wrote: Elites in Washington, on Wall Street and in the corporate suites have taken exquisite care of themselves. Blithely oblivious to the dangerous shriveling of the roots, they've increased their take by offshoring our middle-class jobs, slashing American wages and benefits, busting the ability of unions to fight back, deregulating their nefarious corporate and financial operations, dodging their tax obligations, privatizing and gutting public services (from schools to food stamps), and turning our elections into auctions run by and for billionaires, thus robbing America itself of its unifying ethos: economic fairness and social justice.
One of the least excusable of today's injustices is that in this country of unsurpassed wealth, it's an abomination that the power elites are casually tolerating poverty pay as our wage floor. How deplorable that they can actually juxtapose the words "working" and "poor" without blinking, much less blushing.
Nearly 4 million Americans are being paid at or below the desiccated federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour. For a single mother with two kids, that's $4,000 a year beneath the poverty level. Where are the ethics in a "work ethic" that rewards so many with paychecks that deliberately hold them in poverty? [(C)2012 Creator's Syndicate] Hightower is right. Henry Ford was right. Ford knew he had to pay his employees enough so that they could purchase the cars he was making. He sold a lot of cars that way. Why are these 'brilliant' entrepreneurs so slow to catch onto this fundamental rule of enterprise?
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Because they only think in the short-term.
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