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Maybe more important would be to define "intervention." Did we "intervene" in Korea? WWII? Was that ideological? What is ideology? Principle?
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Yes, we intervened in Korea. Yes we intervened in WW II but appropriately so. Nothing about war is ideological except the explanations to the public.
Principle? Well survival is a principle so at least WW II is primarily principle, but certainly not exclusively (no war is free of it's exploiters)
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Maybe more important would be to define "intervention." Did we "intervene" in Korea? WWII? Was that ideological? What is ideology? Principle? I would venture to say that anywhere where there are American troops and American planes/helicopters/ships/submarines/bombs killing people there is intervention. (See clarification below) I would also say that wherever the CIA or other U.S. government bodies are involved in overthrowing governments/influencing the outcome of elections, etc. (even when the military force is domestic) there is also intervention (or meddling), whichever you prefer. I think that all this nonsense about "they hate us for our freedoms" has been an ideological boondoggle since 1776. The superposition of one class over another is the underlying issue, no matter what name it is given. So whatever new "ism" they come up with, it will always be about economic hegemony.
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Almost all military intervention is almost always economically motivated. Ideology is always the "story" used to justify military intervention to the plebe. I see no difference between one perpetrator or the other.
I also don't think you'll find any piece of journalism that is not politically biased. I do see differences between perpetrators, but in all other respects, I agree. You are correct. I should clarify: there are wars that are fought to defend against aggression and there are wars initiated by aggressors. Intervention, IMO is the latter and not the former.
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' ...the speaker uncritically accepts the post hoc justifications for an action by the perpetrators, when they are clearly belied by the circumstances. This is a criminal gang, pure and simple, using a figleaf of ideology to excuse their criminal enterprise. It's a money-making endeavor. Yeah, just like the criminal gang that led the Terrorist Uprising of 1776 !! · · ![[Linked Image from rationalia.com]](http://rationalia.com/forum/images/smilies/indubitablysmile.gif) [emphasis added]
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Even in Canada, other than apparently a very localized gang of which you are a member, numan, the principles and ideologies of that "criminal gang" have been adopted and spread around the world. Your view of history is so warped that I wonder if you even have a grasp of basic human understanding. Do remember that there is a monarchy in Canada?
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It might be worthwhile to withdraw your head from all that uncritically accepted jingoistic nonsense and look at the world.
What has spread around the world are the principles of the French Revolution and the European parliamentary tradition.
And lots of better countries than the USA have a powerless monarch as head of state. It saves money and provides a more continuous symbol of the nation.
The only thing comparable in the USA is that badly designed fetish rag that is plastered everywhere and which is so absurdly a symbol of idolatry and irrational hysteria.
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It might be worthwhile to withdraw your head from all that uncritically accepted jingoistic nonsense and look at the world.
What has spread around the world are the principles of the French Revolution and the European parliamentary tradition.
And lots of better countries than the USA have a powerless monarch as head of state. It saves money and provides a more continuous symbol of the nation.
The only thing comparable in the USA is that badly designed fetish rag that is plastered everywhere and which is so absurdly a symbol of idolatry and irrational hysteria. Irrational hysteria? Pot and kettle.
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You're right, Scout, that was pretty hysterical. 
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
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You're right, Scout, that was pretty hysterical. 
milk and Girl Scout cookies ;-)
Save your breath-You may need it to blow up your date.
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