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Here is a list of the 100 top defense contractors.
Note the size of the companies involved.
Note how many - the overwhelming majority - are U.S. companies.
Revenues in 2011, according to PWC, were a measly 677 billion dollars.
Switzerland/United States Acutronic
Republic of Ireland Accenture Ltd.
United States Action Target
United States Advatech Pacific, Inc
United States Aerojet
United States Aerospace Corporation
United States Aerovironment
United States Advanced Armament Corporation (AAC)
United States Advanced Integrated Systems
United States AECOM
United Kingdom Aegis Defense Services
Sweden Aimpoint
United States AirScan
United States Airtronic USA
United States Aivea Corporation
United States Allen Vanguard
United States Alliant Techsystems
United States/Canada Allied Container Systems
United States AM General Corporation
United States American Dynamics Flight Systems
United States American Ordnance LLC
United States American Petroleum Institute
United States Analysis, Computing & Engineering Solutions, Inc. (ACES, Inc.)
Ukraine Antonov Airlines
United States Applied Research Associates Inc.
United States Arcturus-UAV
United States ARINC
United States Argon ST
United States ArmorSource
United States ArmorWorks
United States Artis LLC
United States ASSETT, Inc.
United States Astronautics Corporation of America
United States Aurora Flight Sciences
United States AV-Optimal Defense Consultancy Service
United States AVX Aircraft Company
United Kingdom BAE Systems plc
United States BAE Systems Inc.
United States BAE Systems Land and Armaments
United States BAE Systems Electronics, Intelligence & Support
South Africa Land Systems OMC
United States Ball Corporation
United States Ball Aerospace & Technologies Corp.
United States Barrett Firearms Manufacturing
United States Battelle Memorial Institute
United States Bechtel Corporation
Italy Benelli USA
United States Berico Technologies
Saudi Arabia/United Kingdom BDM Corporation
United States Blazeware Inc.
United States Black Knight Technology Inc.
United States Boecore
United States Boeing Company
United States Boeing Sikorsky Comanche Team
United States Boeing SVS
United States McDonnell Douglas
United States Insitu
United States Booz Allen Hamilton
United States Boston Dynamics
United Kingdom British Nuclear Fuels Limited
United States Brogden Enterprises, Inc.
United States CACI International Inc.
United States Carlyle Group
United States Carnegie Mellon University
United States Ceradyne
United States Charles Stark Draper Laboratory
United States Chenega Federal Systems
United States CNA Corporation
United States Colt Defense
United States Concurrent Technologies Corporation
United States Critical Solutions International
United States Crye Associates
United States CSA Engineering
United States CSI Combined Systems
United States Computer Sciences Corporation
United States Cubic Corporation
United States Omega Training Group
United States Decibel Research Inc.
United States Defense Technologies Inc.
United Kingdom Delta Intelligence & Security
United States DEW Engineering
United States Digital System Resources Inc.
United States Dillon Aero
United States DRS Technologies
United States DynCorp
United States Dynetics, Inc.
Netherlands EADS
United States EADS North America
United States Exnovo Solutions, Inc.*
France Eurocopter
United States American Eurocopter
France Airbus
United States Earth Class Mail
United States East/West Industries, Inc.
United States Ensign-Bickford Aerospace and Defense
United States Edison Welding Institute
Israel Elbit Systems
United States M7 Aerospace
United States ENSCO, Inc.
United States/Turkey/Poland Environmental Tectonics Corporation
United States Ernst & Young
United States Evergreen International Aviation
United States Exxon Corporation
Italy Fabbrica d'Armi Pietro Beretta
Belgium Fabrique Nationale de Herstal
United States FLIR Systems
United States Fluor Corp.
United States FGM Inc
United States F M C Technologies
United States Force Protection Inc
United States Foster-Miller, Inc.
United States Foster Wheeler Ltd.
United States Foundation Health Systems Inc.
United Kingdom G4S plc
United Kingdom Armour Group Inc
United States GB Industrial Battery
United States Gemini Industries Inc.
United States General Atomics
United States General Dynamics
United States Gulfstream
Switzerland MOWAG
United States General Dynamics Electric Boat
United States Bath Iron Works
United States General Electric Military Jet Engines Division
United States Geo-Centers Inc.
Austria Glock Ges.m.b.H.
United States Goodrich Corporation
United States Gordon and Castille Industries
United States Georgia Tech Research Institute
United States Harris Corporation
United States/United Arab Emirates Halliburton Corporation
United States Health Net, Inc.
Germany Heckler & Koch USA
United States HESCO USA
United States Hewlett-Packard
United States Honeywell
Croatia HS Produkt
United States Humana Inc.
United States Hybricon Corporation
United States IBM
United States Industrial Machining & Design Services, Inc.
Puerto Rico Infotech Aerospace Services (a Pratt & Whitney joint venture)
United States Insight Technology
United States Institute for Defense Analyses
United States Intelsat
United States International Resources Group
United States iRobot
Israel Israeli Aerospace Industries
Israel Israeli Military Industries
United States ITT Exelis
United States ITT Research Institute
United States Jacobs Engineering Group Inc.
United States JGB Enterprises, Inc.
United States Johns Hopkins University
United States Kaman Aircraft
United States Kearfott Corporation
United States Kellogg, Brown and Root
United States Knight's Armament Company
Norway Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace
United States L-3 Communications Holdings, Inc.
United States SYColeman
United States Brashear
United States EOTech
United States Lockheed Martin
United States Gyrocam Systems
United States Longbow Limited Liability Inc.
United States LRAD Corporation
United States M9 Defense Systems
Sweden MacGregor Group (part of Cargotec corporation)
Denmark A.P. Moller-Maersk Group
United States ManTech International
United States Massachusetts Institute of Technology
United States Maytag Aircraft Corporation
France/United Kingdom/United States MBDA
United States McQ Inc
Turkey Menatek Spare Parts
Australia Metal Storm
South Africa Milkor USA
United States Mission Essential Personnel
United States MITRE Corporation; also see ANSER Institute for Homeland Security
Japan Mitsubishi
United States Motorola Inc.
United States Mustang Tech Group
United States Natel Electronic Manufacturing Services
United States Navistar Defense
United States Nextel
United States NexGen Data Systems, inc.
United States Nichols Research Corporation
Japan NITTOH KENSETSU CO., LTD.
United States Northrop Grumman Corporation
United States Northrop Grumman Electronic Systems
United States Northrop Grumman Information Technologies
United States Northrop Grumman Integrated Systems
United States Northrop Grumman Mission Systems
United States Northrop Grumman Newport News (formerly Newport News Shipbuilding & Drydock Company)
United States Northrop Grumman Ship Systems
United States Northrop Grumman Space Technology
United States Northrop Grumman Technical Services
United States Ocean Shipholdings Inc.
United States Oceaneering International
United States Olin Corporation; also see John M. Olin and John M. Olin Foundation
United States Orbital Sciences Corporation
United States Oshkosh Corporation
United States Osterhout Design Group; see also Ralph Osterhout
United States OT Training Solutions
Canada Para-Ordnance
United States Perot Systems
United States Picatinny Arsenal
United States Pinnacle Armor
United States Point Blank Solutions, Inc.
United States Precision Castparts Corporation
United States Quantum3D
United States QinetiQ North America
United States Raytheon
United States BBN Technologies
United States JPS Communications
Canada ELCAN Sighting Systems
United States Remington Arms
United States Revision Eyewear
United States Rock Island Arsenal
United States Rockwell Collins
United Kingdom Rolls-Royce plc
United States RONCO (de-mining operations Horn of Africa)
Sweden Saab AB
United States SBG Technology Solutions
United States Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC)
United States Sensis Corporation
United States Shell Oil Company
Germany Siemens AG
United States/Canada SimplexGrinnell, LP
United States SFA, Inc.
United States SGIS
United States Smartronix, Inc.
United States SmartRounds
United States Smith & Wesson
United States Sobran, inc
United States SPARTA, Inc.
United States SpotterRF
United States Springfield Armory
United States SRC Inc
United States SRI International
Singapore ST Engineering
Singapore ST Kinetics
United States Sumaria Systems
United States Vision Technologies Systems
United States Stanley, Inc.
United States Standard Missile Company LLC
United States Stevedoring Services of America
United States Stewart and Stevenson
United States Strum, Ruger & Company Incorporated
United States Subsystem Technologies Incorporated
United States Sverdrup Corporation
Switzerland Swiss Arms
United States SIG Sauer
United States Talla-Tech
United States Tangent Networks LLC
Brazil Forjas Taurus S/A
United States TCom
United States Teledyne
United Kingdom Telent
United States Texas Instruments
United States Textron Inc.
United States Bell Helicopter Textron
United States United Industrial Corporation
United States AAI Corporation
United States The Columbia Group
United States Trijicon
United States Tri-Star Engineering, Inc.
United States TriWest Healthcare Alliance
United States Tyco International Ltd.
United States ADT Security Services
United States University of Texas System
United States Unisys Corporation
United States United Technologies
United States Sikorsky
United States Pratt & Whitney
United States URS Corporation
United States Washington Group International
United States USmax Corporation
United States US Falcon
United States US Ordnance
United States Vangent
United States Velocity Systems
United States Verizon Communications
United States Vinnell Corporation
United States Vinnell-Brown & Root
United States Westinghouse Electric Corporation
United States Wiley X
United States Worldcorp Inc.
United States Wyvern Technologies, Aerospace & Defense Contractors
United States Academi LLC (formerly Blackwater and Xe Services)
United States York Executive Operations
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OK here is an article on causes of WWI.... economic reasons are among a whole network of other causes.
The causes of World War I, which began in central Europe in late July 1914, included intertwined factors, such as the conflicts and hostility of the four decades leading up to the war. Militarism, alliances, imperialism, and nationalism played major roles in the conflict as well. The immediate origins of the war, however, lay in the decisions taken by statesmen and generals during the Crisis of 1914, casus belli for which was the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria and his wife by Gavrilo Princip, an irredentist Serb. Here, Ardy, I think you make the best possible case for causes other than economic for war. It is quite true that the immediate causes of World War I were ghastly, idiotic mistakes by aristocratic twits in high places, mainly in Foreign and War Ministries. Moreover, these incompetent twits were unable to correct their mistakes due to the inflexible avalanche of military timetables. National rivalries were certainly involved, but I think any sensible assessment would admit that these rivalries were at such a high pitch due, primarily, to the struggle for resources and markets. However, World War I was a century ago, in another world and in a vanished social order. The aristocratic ruling orders were securely seated in power, with little to gain and much to lose by a major war [and, essentially, WWI wiped them out]. In stable societies with secure ruling classes, there is little incentive to engage in serious warfare -- what the Nazis were pleased to call "Total War." It is the moderately wealthy and sociopaths on the make who are most attracted to getting big bucks and quick bucks through war. Needless to say, World War I precipitated the collapse of civilization all over the world, and brought to birth the violent, savage world which it is our lot to endure. Nowhere are there stable societies and secure ruling classes, and a kaleidoscopic parade of criminal gangs rule in every country, all out for their share of the loot. In such a nasty, brutish world, war and the profits of war reign supreme. "To know only one thing well is to have a barbaric mind: civilization implies the graceful relation of all varieties of experience to a central humane system of thought. The present age is peculiarly barbaric: introduce, say, a Hebrew scholar to an ichthyologist or to an authority on Danish place names and the pair of them would have no single topic in common but the weather or the war [if there happened to be a war in progress, which is usual in this barbaric age]." ---Robert Graves
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And then, of course, there is J.P. Morgan: Morgan played a prominent part in financing World War I. Following its outbreak, he made the first loan of $12,000,000 to Russia. In 1915, a loan of $50,000,000 was made to France. The firm's involvement with British and French interests fueled charges the bank was conspiring to maneuver the United States into supporting the Allies in order to rescue its loans. By 1915 it became apparent the war was not going to end quickly, the company decided to forge formal relationships with France. Those dealings became strained over the course of the war as a result of poor personal relations with French emissaries, relationships that were heightened in importance by the unexpected duration of the conflict, its costs, and the complications flowing from American neutrality. Contributing to the tensions was the favoritism displayed by Morgan officials to British interests. From 1915 until sometime after the United States entered the war, his firm was the official purchasing agent for the British government, buying cotton, steel, chemicals and food, receiving a 1% commission on all purchases.[6] Morgan organized a syndicate of about 2200 banks and floated a loan of $500,000,000 to the Allies. The British sold off their holdings of American securities and by late 1916 were dependent on unsecured loans for further purchases.
At the beginning of World War I, US Treasury Secretary William McAdoo and others in the Wilson administration were very suspicious of J. P. Morgan & Co.'s enthusiastic role as British agent for purchasing and banking. When the United States entered the war, this gave way to close collaboration, in the course of which Morgan received financial concessions.[8] From 1914 to 1919, he was a member of the advisory council for the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.
On 3 July 1915, an intruder, Eric Muenter, entered Morgan's Long Island mansion and shot him twice in an attempt to assassinate him. This was ostensibly to bring about an embargo on arms, and in protest of his profiteering from war. Morgan, however, quickly recovered from his wounds.
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no one has ever argued that economics is not to a greater or lesser degree involved among very many causes for war. What I and maybe others are saying is that it is only a part of the picture.
As per my example of two people deciding to get married... one can almost always find an economic component as a part of every decision. The question that we are raising (by analogy) is whether one can say that economic issues are mostly central to the choice of marriage partner. Certainly it is true in some cases, but likely not the majority of cases.
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I think you are quite correct in implying that economic impact may be a result of, but is rarely if ever a motivation for, war.
Yours,
Issodhos
"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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I think you are quite correct in implying that economic impact may be a result of, but is rarely if ever a motivation for, war.
Yours,
Issodhos So, Iss, what do you think is the main motivation for war?
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A question, noomie - what do you think are the "unintended consequences" referred to in the article title? It seems to me that all of the consequences are, if not intended, at least generally predictable.
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Here is a list of the 100 top defense contractors.
Note the size of the companies involved.
Note how many - the overwhelming majority - are U.S. companies.
Revenues in 2011, according to PWC, were a measly 677 billion dollars.
Switzerland/United States Acutronic
Republic of Ireland Accenture Ltd.
United States Action Target
United States Advatech Pacific, Inc
United States Aerojet
United States Aerospace Corporation
United States Aerovironment
United States Advanced Armament Corporation (AAC)
United States Advanced Integrated Systems
United States AECOM
United Kingdom Aegis Defense Services
Sweden Aimpoint
United States AirScan
United States Airtronic USA
United States Aivea Corporation
United States Allen Vanguard
United States Alliant Techsystems
United States/Canada Allied Container Systems
United States AM General Corporation
United States American Dynamics Flight Systems
United States American Ordnance LLC
United States American Petroleum Institute
United States Analysis, Computing & Engineering Solutions, Inc. (ACES, Inc.)
Ukraine Antonov Airlines
United States Applied Research Associates Inc.
United States Arcturus-UAV
United States ARINC
United States Argon ST
United States ArmorSource
United States ArmorWorks
United States Artis LLC
United States ASSETT, Inc.
United States Astronautics Corporation of America
United States Aurora Flight Sciences
United States AV-Optimal Defense Consultancy Service
United States AVX Aircraft Company
United Kingdom BAE Systems plc
United States BAE Systems Inc.
United States BAE Systems Land and Armaments
United States BAE Systems Electronics, Intelligence & Support
South Africa Land Systems OMC
United States Ball Corporation
United States Ball Aerospace & Technologies Corp.
United States Barrett Firearms Manufacturing
United States Battelle Memorial Institute
United States Bechtel Corporation
Italy Benelli USA
United States Berico Technologies
Saudi Arabia/United Kingdom BDM Corporation
United States Blazeware Inc.
United States Black Knight Technology Inc.
United States Boecore
United States Boeing Company
United States Boeing Sikorsky Comanche Team
United States Boeing SVS
United States McDonnell Douglas
United States Insitu
United States Booz Allen Hamilton
United States Boston Dynamics
United Kingdom British Nuclear Fuels Limited
United States Brogden Enterprises, Inc.
United States CACI International Inc.
United States Carlyle Group
United States Carnegie Mellon University
United States Ceradyne
United States Charles Stark Draper Laboratory
United States Chenega Federal Systems
United States CNA Corporation
United States Colt Defense
United States Concurrent Technologies Corporation
United States Critical Solutions International
United States Crye Associates
United States CSA Engineering
United States CSI Combined Systems
United States Computer Sciences Corporation
United States Cubic Corporation
United States Omega Training Group
United States Decibel Research Inc.
United States Defense Technologies Inc.
United Kingdom Delta Intelligence & Security
United States DEW Engineering
United States Digital System Resources Inc.
United States Dillon Aero
United States DRS Technologies
United States DynCorp
United States Dynetics, Inc.
Netherlands EADS
United States EADS North America
United States Exnovo Solutions, Inc.*
France Eurocopter
United States American Eurocopter
France Airbus
United States Earth Class Mail
United States East/West Industries, Inc.
United States Ensign-Bickford Aerospace and Defense
United States Edison Welding Institute
Israel Elbit Systems
United States M7 Aerospace
United States ENSCO, Inc.
United States/Turkey/Poland Environmental Tectonics Corporation
United States Ernst & Young
United States Evergreen International Aviation
United States Exxon Corporation
Italy Fabbrica d'Armi Pietro Beretta
Belgium Fabrique Nationale de Herstal
United States FLIR Systems
United States Fluor Corp.
United States FGM Inc
United States F M C Technologies
United States Force Protection Inc
United States Foster-Miller, Inc.
United States Foster Wheeler Ltd.
United States Foundation Health Systems Inc.
United Kingdom G4S plc
United Kingdom Armour Group Inc
United States GB Industrial Battery
United States Gemini Industries Inc.
United States General Atomics
United States General Dynamics
United States Gulfstream
Switzerland MOWAG
United States General Dynamics Electric Boat
United States Bath Iron Works
United States General Electric Military Jet Engines Division
United States Geo-Centers Inc.
Austria Glock Ges.m.b.H.
United States Goodrich Corporation
United States Gordon and Castille Industries
United States Georgia Tech Research Institute
United States Harris Corporation
United States/United Arab Emirates Halliburton Corporation
United States Health Net, Inc.
Germany Heckler & Koch USA
United States HESCO USA
United States Hewlett-Packard
United States Honeywell
Croatia HS Produkt
United States Humana Inc.
United States Hybricon Corporation
United States IBM
United States Industrial Machining & Design Services, Inc.
Puerto Rico Infotech Aerospace Services (a Pratt & Whitney joint venture)
United States Insight Technology
United States Institute for Defense Analyses
United States Intelsat
United States International Resources Group
United States iRobot
Israel Israeli Aerospace Industries
Israel Israeli Military Industries
United States ITT Exelis
United States ITT Research Institute
United States Jacobs Engineering Group Inc.
United States JGB Enterprises, Inc.
United States Johns Hopkins University
United States Kaman Aircraft
United States Kearfott Corporation
United States Kellogg, Brown and Root
United States Knight's Armament Company
Norway Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace
United States L-3 Communications Holdings, Inc.
United States SYColeman
United States Brashear
United States EOTech
United States Lockheed Martin
United States Gyrocam Systems
United States Longbow Limited Liability Inc.
United States LRAD Corporation
United States M9 Defense Systems
Sweden MacGregor Group (part of Cargotec corporation)
Denmark A.P. Moller-Maersk Group
United States ManTech International
United States Massachusetts Institute of Technology
United States Maytag Aircraft Corporation
France/United Kingdom/United States MBDA
United States McQ Inc
Turkey Menatek Spare Parts
Australia Metal Storm
South Africa Milkor USA
United States Mission Essential Personnel
United States MITRE Corporation; also see ANSER Institute for Homeland Security
Japan Mitsubishi
United States Motorola Inc.
United States Mustang Tech Group
United States Natel Electronic Manufacturing Services
United States Navistar Defense
United States Nextel
United States NexGen Data Systems, inc.
United States Nichols Research Corporation
Japan NITTOH KENSETSU CO., LTD.
United States Northrop Grumman Corporation
United States Northrop Grumman Electronic Systems
United States Northrop Grumman Information Technologies
United States Northrop Grumman Integrated Systems
United States Northrop Grumman Mission Systems
United States Northrop Grumman Newport News (formerly Newport News Shipbuilding & Drydock Company)
United States Northrop Grumman Ship Systems
United States Northrop Grumman Space Technology
United States Northrop Grumman Technical Services
United States Ocean Shipholdings Inc.
United States Oceaneering International
United States Olin Corporation; also see John M. Olin and John M. Olin Foundation
United States Orbital Sciences Corporation
United States Oshkosh Corporation
United States Osterhout Design Group; see also Ralph Osterhout
United States OT Training Solutions
Canada Para-Ordnance
United States Perot Systems
United States Picatinny Arsenal
United States Pinnacle Armor
United States Point Blank Solutions, Inc.
United States Precision Castparts Corporation
United States Quantum3D
United States QinetiQ North America
United States Raytheon
United States BBN Technologies
United States JPS Communications
Canada ELCAN Sighting Systems
United States Remington Arms
United States Revision Eyewear
United States Rock Island Arsenal
United States Rockwell Collins
United Kingdom Rolls-Royce plc
United States RONCO (de-mining operations Horn of Africa)
Sweden Saab AB
United States SBG Technology Solutions
United States Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC)
United States Sensis Corporation
United States Shell Oil Company
Germany Siemens AG
United States/Canada SimplexGrinnell, LP
United States SFA, Inc.
United States SGIS
United States Smartronix, Inc.
United States SmartRounds
United States Smith & Wesson
United States Sobran, inc
United States SPARTA, Inc.
United States SpotterRF
United States Springfield Armory
United States SRC Inc
United States SRI International
Singapore ST Engineering
Singapore ST Kinetics
United States Sumaria Systems
United States Vision Technologies Systems
United States Stanley, Inc.
United States Standard Missile Company LLC
United States Stevedoring Services of America
United States Stewart and Stevenson
United States Strum, Ruger & Company Incorporated
United States Subsystem Technologies Incorporated
United States Sverdrup Corporation
Switzerland Swiss Arms
United States SIG Sauer
United States Talla-Tech
United States Tangent Networks LLC
Brazil Forjas Taurus S/A
United States TCom
United States Teledyne
United Kingdom Telent
United States Texas Instruments
United States Textron Inc.
United States Bell Helicopter Textron
United States United Industrial Corporation
United States AAI Corporation
United States The Columbia Group
United States Trijicon
United States Tri-Star Engineering, Inc.
United States TriWest Healthcare Alliance
United States Tyco International Ltd.
United States ADT Security Services
United States University of Texas System
United States Unisys Corporation
United States United Technologies
United States Sikorsky
United States Pratt & Whitney
United States URS Corporation
United States Washington Group International
United States USmax Corporation
United States US Falcon
United States US Ordnance
United States Vangent
United States Velocity Systems
United States Verizon Communications
United States Vinnell Corporation
United States Vinnell-Brown & Root
United States Westinghouse Electric Corporation
United States Wiley X
United States Worldcorp Inc.
United States Wyvern Technologies, Aerospace & Defense Contractors
United States Academi LLC (formerly Blackwater and Xe Services)
United States York Executive Operations Are there bonus points for the longest meaningless list?
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Are there bonus points for the longest meaningless list? Figures - meaningless questions... 
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Are there bonus points for the longest meaningless list? Figures - meaningless questions... Hey, isn't that the Fart-headed Laffer smilie?
You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
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