Out of curiosity, 25 pages into this thread, I went back and discovered that the thread had left the original premise on the first page, and apparently hasn't drifted back since. 24-pages of off-topic discussion. Still, it's a discussion. Maybe a thread rename is in order.

A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.

Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich