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But ya gotta admit it is awfully funny, in a gap-toothed invidious smile kinda way
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"It's not a lie if you believe it." -- George Costanza The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. --Bertrand Russel
I think a near consensus is forming, Slipped, that the honorable and socially responsible thing for this citizen to have done would have been to either 1) put his gun away and bear-hug the guy into surrendering, or even better 2) give the knife-wielding fellow his gun and then bear-hug him into surrendering. He would then be looked up more favorably regardless of the outcome.
Like my second ex-wife would say, "That's the kinda boolshit that flops on the floor when ya try ta think!"
Fer the record, nonsensus ain't the same thang as consensus.
Log, I think your response lacks a certain level of imagination. What's the point of limiting one's argument with what was said, when you can make up statements that were never made, to defeat those with counterarguments that are not even applicable. Know you nothing of the priniples of strawmanicus argumenti?
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
Interestingly, most mass shootings (NEIS*), are stopped by unarmed bystanders.
*NEIS - not ending in suicide.
Well, yeah, after masses have been shot. Throw a human wave a one or two people with guns and the chances are sooner or later they'll be overwhelmed. I have no interest in being part of the human wave.
So Plan A is to stand there and get shot while hoping the shooter shoots everyone but you?
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You, you and you, panic. The rest of you follow me.
We did have our groupies. Must have been our big guns.
What sort of ammo were you shooting?
"It's not a lie if you believe it." -- George Costanza The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. --Bertrand Russel
Interestingly, most mass shootings (NEIS*), are stopped by unarmed bystanders.
*NEIS - not ending in suicide.
Well, yeah, after masses have been shot. Throw a human wave a one or two people with guns and the chances are sooner or later they'll be overwhelmed. I have no interest in being part of the human wave.
So Plan A is to stand there and get shot while hoping the shooter shoots everyone but you?
Mickey So this guy was clearly deranged Would you say this circumstance is the most likely sort of reason that requires citizens to carry guns in public? Or if not the most likely need to carry, this reason in and of itself still is adequate justification to have citizens armed?
"It's not a lie if you believe it." -- George Costanza The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. --Bertrand Russel
... Know you nothing of the priniples of strawmanicus argumenti?
"I'd be witty, I'd be clever - would they ever fool me? Never! If I only had a brain... I'd be swell, I'd be mellow, I'd be such a happy fellow, if I only had a brain."
I dedicate this video to the Wizard of 'Oddhos...
You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete. R. Buckminster Fuller
You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete. R. Buckminster Fuller
I'm still having a hard time believing that in response to
Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
Interestingly, most mass shootings (NEIS*), are stopped by unarmed bystanders.
the response is:
Originally Posted by Slipped Mickey
Well, yeah, after masses have been shot.
Does that mean that you agree that magazine limitations are an appropriate counter to mass shootings? How else does one limit the massiveness of mass shootings. Let's see, how many mass shootings have been stopped by armed intervention - before they became "mass"? ....
I'll wait for an answer (but I don't really expect one).
I realize that gun control debates go round and round, but that is because only one side makes an argument, and, like an axle with only one wheel, can only go around in circles. As far as I can discern, the only gun-lobby argument is "only more guns will stop more gun violence." Nevermind that there is no empirical evidence to show that. Never mind that history doesn't support that. Nevermind that it is counter-intuitive. It is an article of faith, only to be believed, and not challenged.
Well, I challenge it. For every singular example of an exception, I can provide dozens, hundreds, thousands of cases that prove the rule. I have only provided suggestions that have a proven track record, have empirical or logical support, and limited effect on any law abiding citizen with a desire to keep and bear arms (as I do and will continue to do).
Indeed, none of the proposals I have made would have prevented even the lauditory exceptional circumstances, like this one, trotted out as a sorry excuse for an argument against limited legal reform.
Would a magazine-size limitation have changed this situation? No. Would a registration scheme? A licensing regime? A background check? An assault weapons ban? Even a caliber restriction? No, no, no, no. We go back to a doctrine of faith, and simply say "gun control bad" - 'cause I believe it to be so!
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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