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By the way, 'destroying America' starts by destroying the institutions of America - which means, the government. Isn't government supposed to represent the collective will of the people? And if one is attacking the collective will of the people, isn't one really attacking the people? I have recently noticed that many US states call themselves "Commonwealth". What in the world were they thinking? 
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I think the term "commonwealth" has always been the legal name of many states such as Massachusetts and Pennsylvania.
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By the way, 'destroying America' starts by destroying the institutions of America - which means, the government. Isn't government supposed to represent the collective will of the people? And if one is attacking the collective will of the people, isn't one really attacking the people? I have recently noticed that many US states call themselves "Commonwealth". What in the world were they thinking? "Common-wealth" is probably some kind of code speak of a murky past secret Classical Liberal brotherhood that may have been called School 'N Boners.
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By the way, 'destroying America' starts by destroying the institutions of America - which means, the government. Isn't government supposed to represent the collective will of the people? And if one is attacking the collective will of the people, isn't one really attacking the people? I have recently noticed that many US states call themselves "Commonwealth". What in the world were they thinking? From the wiki article on "Commonwealth (U. S. State)" Four of the constituent states of the United States of America officially use the name "Commonwealth". These states are Kentucky,[1] Massachusetts,[2] Pennsylvania,[3] and Virginia.[4] All four are among the first 15 states to join the Union.
This designation, which has no legal impact, emphasizes that they have a "government based on the common consent of the people"[5] as opposed to one legitimized through their earlier royal colony status that was derived from the monarch of Great Britain. The word commonwealth in this context refers to the common "wealth", or welfare, of the public[6] and is derived from a loose translation of the Latin term res publica (cf. the 17th-century Commonwealth of England). It's simply a corporate name.
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It seems some in this discussion have chosen to forget the guidelines of ReaderRant, particularly when it comes to references to elected officials, both present and past. One thought an insult about the district Darrel Issa recommended was appropriate. It was not and was deleted. Another thought former Congressman Ron Paul was fair game because he no longer holds office. Wrong again. The forum guidelines on elected officials are clear: Respect for Elective Offices
Elected Officials, both past and present, are referred to by name, not by nickname or by verbal/visual insulting reference. Feel free to criticize an elected official's actions, but don't attack the person. Address what the person did, not what the person "is". Another thought it was cute to hid a four-letter obscenity in a compound word. The rule violations have been edited out. Please follow the rules.
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By the way, 'destroying America' starts by destroying the institutions of America - which means, the government. Isn't government supposed to represent the collective will of the people? And if one is attacking the collective will of the people, isn't one really attacking the people? I have recently noticed that many US states call themselves "Commonwealth". What in the world were they thinking? "Commonwealth" is the definition of some states that was established at the time of the state's origin. Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania and Massachusetts are Commonwealths The term comes from English common law. The term has no legal impact and Commonwealths are also called states. Virginia, for example, has a "state police," not a "commonwealth police." A driver charged with a reckless driving ticket in Virginia by the "state police" tried to beat it on the grounds that a "state police" could not exist in a commonwealth. The State Supreme Court ruled that commonwealths are also states and threw the case out.
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I have recently noticed that many US states call themselves "Commonwealth". What in the world were they thinking? "Commonwealth" is the definition of some states that was established at the time of the state's origin. Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania and Massachusetts are Commonwealths The term comes from English common law. Yes. Here is what wiki says this designation, which has no legal impact, emphasizes that they have a "government based on the common consent of the people"[5] as opposed to one legitimized through their earlier royal colony status that was derived from the monarch of Great Britain. The word commonwealth in this context refers to the common "wealth", or welfare, of the public[6] "common "wealth", or welfare, of the public" seems to imply that these people had a concept of something beyond least possible power being shared by the public. And in that context, IMO, the word "commonwealth" seems not to be consistent with the idea that our governmental association is more than a bunch of individuals who happen to live in the same place. In my mind, the word commonwealth seems to imply an understanding that there is some strength and added value from coming together. A value beyond the radical individualism proposed by those who variously label themselves libertarian, classical liberals, or strict constitutionalists. The establishment of the US post office is but one indication that our founding citizens realized some appropriate role for a government that could increase the shared value of our state.
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One thought an insult about the district Darrel Issa recommended was appropriate. It was not and was deleted. I didn’t think it was appropriate-I thought it was funny. Shame in you rick for making me laugh. I have given myself the lash and I shall, the future, behave myself. And loggy--wash your mouth out with soap--please.
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Shame in you rick for making me laugh. My bad. I shall (try to) tone-down my inner-Don Rickles/Lisa Lampanelli/Ricky Gervais/Seth MacFarlane, henceforth. 
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Funny, isn't it, that Rand Paul hails from the "Commonwealth" of KY, Rick Santorum from the "Commonwealth" of Pennsylvania, and Eric Cantor from the "Commonwealth" of Virginia? I can't think of three individuals less devoted to the "common" good; shared sacrifice; fair opportunity, etc.
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