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Good point. Joe Lieberman has become the Zell Miller of the 2008 campaign.

Chris Matthews will still, of course, be absolutely convinced that the Petraeus report will be "completely objective" when it comes out declaring what a success the Surge has been.

After which Chris will be positively effusive at how manly the Republican candidates are and speculate as to which one "Americans will want to sit down and have a beer with".

It would appear that in one of Pres. Bush's radio speeches over the weekend he has given a preview of what is to come.

It would appear from his speech that as long as he doesn't have a stable pro-American government which has not passed a US oil company favorable oil bill, US troops will remain in Iraq.

Well folks it appears that you don't have to wait or read the Sept Petraeus report. We are not leaving Iraq.

Bush draws Vietnam parallel in warning over Iraq withdrawal



Rave on Democrats.

What a coincidence! I just saw a commercial on TV this morning that said pretty much the same thing. But, the commercial suggested that Americans contact their senators and congressmen and tell them to not allow the war to end. How pathetic it is when one can't see that they are beaten! When one doesn't know when to stop. Just continue on the path of insanity! And contact your legislators and tell them so!!

How sickening!

In contrast to the catastrophe currently occuring in Iraq?

It's so odd that we hear the Commander in Chief comparing the debacle in Iraq to the debacle in Vietnam based on hypotheticals, but refusing to make the comparison based on reality. No one knows for certain what will happen as a result of replacing US fighting forces with a contingent of Arab peacekeepers, but everyone knows exactly what is happening as a result of not doing that.

Addressing the question of "winning" or "losing", I'd like to suggest that we stop thinking in those terms. We didn't go into Iraq with a declared purpose of "winning" anything. It was all about "stopping Saddam" and "freeing the Iraqi people", remember? When someone talks about "winning", they're treading the dangerous ground of imperialism. We have no right, under domestic or international law, to wage a war of imperialism, and no business basing policy on "winning" it.

We know now that the promised report from Gen. Petraeus will never be delivered. As Raw Story reports this morning, on CBS's Face The Nation last weekend, Bob Schieffer had the temerity to tell the truth about the so-called "Petraeus Report":
Yes, you and the rest of the Librul Media have been pulled down the rabbit hole time after time. And you've pulled many of our fellow citizens right in after you. Will it be any different this time?

How completely odd. We have true believers (Bushites) and the folks against the war, no matter what. Everybody is arguing, I think, about whether we should get out or not. Now, lets see, the military has announced that there is no way our military can sustain the surge, the Iraqi politicians have efficiently looted as much as they can building palaces outside of that benighted country and its generally agreed that the country itself is in the midst of a civil war. The Iraqi military is not reliable and the iraqi police are completely out of control. Oh - their legislature is on vacation too! Lets also add that we seem to be fighting, Sheiites, Suuni, Insurgents, Terrorists, Iranians, Syrians, and volunteer American haters from just about every country in the world. Oh - almost forgot, all those are not just fighting us but each other!

Lets add that in the years since we have been there we have yet to even get the oil flowing at embargo levels (even though it was the FIRST thing we tried to do (whilst ignoring ammunition dumps, etc), the potable water situation is desperate and electricity production is reaching joke proportions. To reach this milestone of 'success' we have spent, literally, hundreds of billions of dollars. On top of that we have blown through most of those generals so self interested that they were willing to serve (those with an ounce of integrity were either fired or 'retired'). Bush has put the navy in charge of a land war for, I guess, a lack of remaining generals. Then we come to general Petraeus, the 'learned' general. He will, I am sure, do exactly as all the other Bush generals have done - Bob and weave and lie his head off, take the heat, and retire (he did, however, get a nice bump in pay grade to take the job in the first place).

Folks! There is little to argue about here! Winning? Win what? We have worked our magic here. We have looted the banks (contractors got much of that), tried to steal the oil (failed), spent billions failing to rebuild, killed thousands of civilians (men, women and children), destroyed their infrastructure and created a government incapable of doing little more than feathering personal nests. Oh - we have also abandoned most of those who actually supported us so that they could either flee to absolute destitution or get slaughtered themselves. This whole thing was based on simple greed, run with world shaking incompetence, and still there those who talk about 'winning' - what in the HELL are they talking about? What we are witnessing, right now, is the beginning of a pull out. We no longer have the resources to continue! We have shot our wad, our military is in literal shambles, the troops are tired, and starting to speak out in larger and larger numbers, desertions are up (it just goes on and on). As far as I can tell the only reason we are still there is because there may still be a few crumbs left to steal. But, make no mistake - we ARE on our way out of there.

I guess the only real question is whether our self serving politicians will get out before, or after, the election next year. That decision will be made by deciding which time would be best to insure their continued snouting at the public trough. The Iraq war was started based on a whim of a president backed by a compliant, not quite awake, congress, pure and simple. He heard the voices in his head and found them good. He is still hearing those voices and we are reaping the rewards of his Divine Intervention. How does it go? Oh - "Praise the Lord, pass the ammunition, and we will ALL be free!" (catchy tune!)

It is not a case of "Self Serving Politicians". It is a case of one man, President George W. Bush, who is derermined to run out the clock to January 2009, without ever admitting the slightest culpability on his part for the death, destruction and wanton waste that he has bestowed upon America and Iraq.

It is also a matter of 100% Republican loyalty which, coupled with their 49 guaranteed votes in the Senate (fifty if you count Republican-in-waiting Joe Lieberman) provides an absolute guarantee that no action can come from Congress regarding anything that Bush does not like.

That situation is absolutely guaranteed to continue through the 2008 elections, because every Republican in the country is absolutely more loyal to George W. Bush, personally, than they are to the United States of America. Every Republican in the country would, without exception, vote to bring complete dishoner and ruin to their country before they would ever hold George W. Bush even minimally accountable for what he has done.

That is not going to change because Republicans cannot change. They worship George W. Bush and always will, no matter what he has done and will ever do.

And America will suffer, immeasurably, for it.

Sorry Philly Steve, but my bull$hit meter has just pegged the scale. If you're going to engage in such outrageous hyperbole, I'll have to get a meter with a higher tolerance.

I'll retract my statement when you show me how many Republicans in Congress actually vote differently.

What I predicted is what will happen.