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...or better yet, when the Malicia Packers ask the Central Americans "Show us your papers!!" and the Central Americans say back, "Papers? We don't need no steenking papers, ya thug booted brown shirts!"

So, civil disobedience is a crime and illegal immigration in the hundreds of thousands is just what, a blip? A anomaly? Less of a crime than civil disobedience? I think it is time for people to reassess their idea of what is and isn't acceptable. Or, if I may ask, does politics make everything negotiable?

Peaceful civil disobedience is perfectly fine-Trying to threaten and intimidate with firearms is not. And you know that there will be some trigger happy cowboy that is going to want to shoot off more than his/her mouth. If you don't, you are very naive. Or in denial. If I am on public property, or doing a legal act and someone points a gun at me, I consider that an attempted assault at best or attempted murder at worst-unless the idiot with the gun is stupid enough to shoot. Especially since the militia person has no authority whatsoever.

They ARE refugees.

It's the 1980 Cuban Mariel boat lift crisis, only instead of a bunch of desperate Cuban adults and some Cuban ex-cons, it's children and there's no water involved.
This is a humanitarian crisis and the kids would be considered REFUGEES anywhere else in the world.
And last but not least, the countries they're fleeing? The violence is from cartels staffed with enforcers who are former members of the CONTRAS, and former L.A. street gangs many of whom are the CHILDREN of former Contras and death squad capitanos.

The violence in Honduras, Nicaragua, Guatemala and El Salvador is reaching unprecedented proportions. They didn't exactly have the best system of central governance to begin with but once the large multinationals decided it was time to start consuming the rich resources located there, what they had was quickly replaced with that stereotype we are all familiar with, the infamous "banana republic dictator" who was eager and willing to cooperate with any administration but who was most decidedly right wing in the extreme.
(Who do we think made that possible?)

And when resistance to the hardcore right wing came, it was often in the form of an equally extreme reaction, naturally from the left. The response was to finance right wing death squads and rebel armies. The civil strife that resulted rapidly exploded into decades long civil war, and in the ashes of these wars the cartels took control.

And these children are refugees fleeing a system which cares about one thing and one thing only, drug profits, primarily cocaine.
The entire region is part and parcel of a "silk road" commerce system controlled by gangs who learned first at the knee of their Contra grandfathers and then later as members of L.A. street gangs.

And when we deported gang members back to their homelands, which they barely knew, they brought the gang mentality back with them.

The role of the Central Intelligence Agency in cocaine importation into the USA is well documented and indisputable. It is part of the Congressional Record now.
MA Republican, it's really too bad your blood pressure didn't register any concern when the Central Intelligence Agency was funding drug trafficking flights carrying Central American produced and refined cocaine directly into the USA via Mena Airport, on its way to cities like Los Angeles.

And as such, it is our responsibility to treat these kids, most of them under age 13, as refugees. The problem isn't going to go away with a few protests and some bus turnarounds, and some US diplomat sitting down with corrupt Central American government officials won't accomplish much either. They know what side their bread is buttered on, and their lives depend on them carrying water for the real power in those countries, the cartels and their street gang enforcers and distributors.

We helped to create this, so it's our responsibility to help fix it. These are children of war, OUR war.

These are, without a doubt, the "illegitimate grandchildren and great grandchildren" of Ronald Reagan and Oliver North.

Remember them? That's right, Ollie North and Ronald Reagan helped create the conditions which spawned this misguided generation and its unfortunate offspring.
So as far as I'm concerned, suck it up and deal with it, we broke it, we get to fix it.

Refugees are usually associated with parts of a population crossing over a border to seek safety. In this case the "refugees" crossed multiple borders to reach a destination. This is a scam, a setup. It is a way for the Democratic Administration to create a humanitarian crisis and form some kind of a political opinion favorable to the White House. That it is backfiring is not my problem, and neither is my disbelief that just because somebody finds a way to misuse the word refugee it makes it so. Mexico has guard towers with machine guns on their southern border, how did these "children" make it over their border, the Mexican border, through Mexico and across the Rio Grande without help?

Momma raised ugly children, not dumb children. This is a setup gone bad and it is biting the Obama Administration in the ass. I don't really care about that, but I do care that because Obama can't play politics he has forced upwards of 300,000 illegal aliens upon the US and her welfare rolls. But, since you are sympathetic to their cause, why don't you accept delivery of a dozen at your house? It would be the "politically correct" thing to do.

When the assault happens, bitch and moan about it. Until it happens, it is civil disobedience.

Not if these unregulated militias pull guns on people and try to intimidate them. That's a threat and they should be arrested and taken to jail. The unregulated militia is on it's way to California-where we have a law that prohibits "using a gun in a threatening manor". And there is no open carry law here, or a "Stand Your Ground" law. To be guilty of using a gun in a threatening manor, one just needs to point the gun, or brandish it. It doesn't even need to be loaded. The mayor of Murrieta is acting like a buffoon.

They ARE seeking safety, and they're crossing multiple borders because they're coming from multiple originating points.
These aren't drug mules or criminals. Average age is about nine to eleven. And many of them are gravely ill.

The idea that the Democratic Party is supposedly engaged in some dark mysterious conspiracy is laughable.
Do you ever read your posts aloud to yourself in a mirror?
Try it sometime, or better yet, read them to someone you know.



Point to the funding sources, please.
No, not the funding for the DNC, the funding for the violence which these kids are fleeing. Which administration operative would that be, Tim? Give me a timeline, even an approximate one.


It's called TAXES. That's the price we pay.
The solution to this refugee crisis is for our country to stop creating the kind of corrupt dictatorial governments that spawn these conditions, to stop importing cocaine into the USA via our CIA, and to fix our broken immigration system.

I can't help it you are incapable of comprehending a twenty or thirty year historical cycle. The fact is, most events of significant historical importance happen in cycles like that because that's about the length of time each generation exercises its peak influence on a society.

Unless and until we become willing to adopt long range insight into the effects of our decision making process in the foreign policy arena, we as a species will continue being liable for mistakes made by previous generations. The sins of the fathers, Tim...the sins of the fathers.

Do you like apples?
Well, these apples fell from trees planted by the fathers of modern neoconservative policy, how do ya like them apples?

Don't worry about the Mayor of Murrietta, he appears to be caught in something he never dreamed possible and is simply incompetent and incapable of handling the situation.
Murrietta is a very small town.
It's doubtful anyone expected something of this proportion.

And as regards the faux patriots and their militia, if they cross into California, they're in for something a lot more surprising than a mere law.

They might indeed START something but I suspect more than a few very capable residents will end it.