Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Constitutional Issues Smoking in Public and Whose Rights are they?

I am a little confused by your point. Isn't "collectivism" the natural state of most animals--- including apes and people? Through out history, and pre-history for that matter, people have lived in groups, gangs, clans, tribes, and nations. The individual living alone is surely the exception to our collectivist natural state.

And yes it is likely true that people have noticed that they are more powerful as part of a group. And in the "natural" course of events we observe that the more powerful prevail over the less powerful, however righteous.

I suspect that if the USA did not have "collective" power... we would have been conquered long ago. And in that circumstance we would have lost the benefits of any proud individualism.

Every person who complains about loss if individual rights has the RIGHT to buy a boat.... sail off into the ocean... and live an absolutely free life.... a law unto themselves.... smoking whenever they wish.... using drugs if they wish... doing really anything they want.

Surprisingly few people take the opportunity to leave the onerous constraints of this collectivist society. If one did not know better, one would think that these people actually like some of the benefits of living in our little collective.