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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
Let's call it like it is: These are the moron vote, and are actually an important part of the many coalitions that make up the Republican Party.

Yup - that's exactly what it is ThumbsUp LOL


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I know that Trump has not completely nixed the idea of running as a third party candidate, but do you really think he'd do this? He does seem petulant and vindictive when he doesn't get his way.


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Absolutely he would. He said right at the beginning of the debate that he would, if he did not win the nomination.

And I think he will lose, and then will run as an Independent just to see how many votes he gets. It's an ego thing, and he has a superabundance of that.


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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
Absolutely he would. He said right at the beginning of the debate that he would, if he did not win the nomination.

And I think he will lose, and then will run as an Independent just to see how many votes he gets. It's an ego thing, and he has a superabundance of that.

I have to agree with you. Donald Trump never met any publicity he didn't like, and he is a megalomaniac.


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I can't think of anything better for a Dem candidate than the Donald running as an independent ThumbsUp

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I see everybody is determined to dismiss idiot Trump out of hand. The general consensus is that he will fail. The problem is that his numbers simply continue to climb. Now some of the other republican candidates are starting to not only agree but go a bit further. I see that one wants to use drones to kill anybody crossing the border, for instance. Trump, in other words, whether he wins or loses, seems to be framing the Republican meme and folks seem to be buying it. As far as I can tell he doesn't have a single fact right yet he remains the most admired of the Republicans. There is also evidence that much of his support also comes from the left. He is, in other words, running as the guy on the white horse and people seem to be actually buying it!

I also find it interesting that he, obviously, has tamed his competition. They are, for the most part, behaving exactly like the Democrats do when attacked, by the right, by fantasy, innuendo and lies - lie down, take it, and believe it will all go away eventually. Perhaps this is a coping mechanism by politicians. Trump, of course, obviously keeps a file on every competitor and has no qualms attacking with any personal attack that is available so, rather than actually compete at that level, they simply rollover and hope. In other words, when it comes to personal attack the politicians, on both sides, refuse to play. Obamacare, for instance, is a great example of getting demonized because of lack of response. If you doubt this one google "demonization of obamacare". Other examples would be climate change and the Iran deal, I think.

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There is also evidence that much of his support also comes from the left.
If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to see some of this "evidence"

Nate Silver has this to say about Trump....
Donald Trump Is Winning The Polls — And Losing The Nomination

fivethirtyeight.com

Perhaps this will give you a clearer picture of why it's fairly safe to dismiss Donald Trump as the eventual candidate. He may run as a third party which would be even more disastrous for republicans than if he actually took the nomination.
Personally, I hope Trump hangs in there, the farther he pushes the other Republicans to the right the less chance they will have of winning in the general election.


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Google "democrats for trump" for that info.

There is also some evidence that he is toning down and is building infrastructure to actually campaign. I was going to say that I was amazed that the republicans are being driven further right by Trump. On reflection I believe that the Republicans are capable of just about anything, no matter how crazy. I also believe that Trump and Cruz have a deal and, if Trump does quit, Cruz gets all of Trump's support. I have absolutely nothing to base this on, other than their meeting and the sudden stop of any reference to the other.

I am not sure about the Democrats and you well may be right. Hillary, however, is getting pretty well beaten up. She seems to be trying to fight back but is simply not strident enough. She is betweeen a rock and a hard space. I listened to one guy predicting she was going to be indicted for email stuff and heard somebody from gov say that was absolutely not true. Who knows?

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I also do not understand how Trump keeps skating on facts and even his books (a veritable treasure chest of crazy). For instance. 40% of illegals are here because they overstayed their visas and did not come across the border. We tried to build a wall and failed as it didn't work (but cost a lot of money anyway and was never finished0 There was also the high tech solution, run by Boeing and a genuine mess. Then there is:
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/08/trumps-amnesia/
find a LOT more, google: fact check trump

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Okay, I Googled Democrats for Trump and really didn't see much in the way of evidence that Democrats were supporting him.

There is little point in fact checking Republicans. They pretty much make sh!t up as they go along.


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