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That, and of course, the fact that she took "liberties" with reality in her debate performance. Carly Fiorina won the GOP debate, but fact checkers will have a field day. In fact, they did! Fact-checking Carly Fiorina's debate claims. This has become something of a habit for Fiorina, who has a notable facility for delivering answers that thrill conservatives but fall apart under close examination. In a recent interview with Katie Couric, for instance, Fiorina delivered a four-minute riff on climate change that the National Review enthused "shows how to address the left on climate change." The only problem, as David Roberts pointed out, was that every single thing she said in it was wrong.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Carson digs a hole over Muslims.... and keeps on digging! Ben Carson Can’t Change Subject After Contentious Muslim Remark Scott Walker's exit sets off Republican feeding frenzy How Ted Cruz Gave Away The GOP’s Muslim Strategy the belief that Obama is a Muslim is an entrenched “fact” on the right, much like the belief that global warming is a hoax or Planned Parenthood is a for-profit company that makes its money selling fetal parts. Carson and Cruz aren’t really talking about a hypothetical Muslim president in some future world. This is all a coded way to talk about Obama.
In that light, the discussion makes more sense. When Carson says that “I would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation,” he’s aligning himself with right wing forces that don’t accept the legitimacy of Obama’s presidency, even going so far as to float conspiracy theories that Obama faked his birth certificate to conceal his Kenyan origins.
When Cruz replies by saying, “there shall be no religious test for holding public office” but “what are the consequences been in the last six and a half years of the Obama presidency?” he’s rejecting the birther part of the conspiracy theory, but still arguing that Obama is launching “an assault on Christians.”
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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National Review???? ..... i was effectively banned from site for providing facts .... yes those onerous facts .... and a different perspective .... talk about sheeple .... but i digress
the folks at NR have been told AGW is a hoax and therefore it is reality ..... so when Fiorina says etc etc it is not a lie unless we compare to the actually facts
remember, at this time she is only trying to become the REPUBLICAN nominee, thus she will say what is necessary to endear herself to them and win the primary .... me conservative .... everyone else liberal ...ugh
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Marcotte has herself been seduced by conspiracy. Conservatives are not smart enough to implement a plan to entrap anyone. When they talk about Muslims and political office it is what they believe. It is not a part of some intricate plan. These folks are for the most part very simple in what they believe
It is however an interesting take that this is a larger euphemism directed against Pres Obama. I did not get that from the current discussion because I never thought Pres Obama was a Muslims and would therefore not be included in the discussion but from Sen Cruz' remarks , he makes it clear the president should have been included. But again, it is not some conspiracy. This is what these folks believe and once the seeds of duplicity have been planted, it can not be eradicated from their minds.
Yesterday I happened to catch a couple of Dr Carson supporters convey the meaning of his remarks. Someone in Dr Carson's campaign responded and it was clear he was a Muslim bigot. The other was a conservative operative who managed to change the facts and thus responded to a straw argument.
His contention is no Muslim can be president since they would not support the Constitution first. Suppose that should be the test for office. If so then at least half of the current crop of republican candidates should not be running as they profess their allegiance to a higher authority than the Constitution. Why, even Dr Carson is one of those people.
Dr Carson is I believe one of those typical conservatives who use the "right" words to rationalize to themselves they believe in the Constitution but it is a sham. He has Muslim associates; he tolerates them but they can not run for office. He justifies his position by pointing to his irrational fears.
He represents the most insidious aspect of religion. The belief only he is right.
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What kills me is that these GOP candidates think they are being subtle.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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What kills me is that these GOP candidates think they are being subtle. As subtle as an elephant in heat.
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them."
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Jeb! Is sounding like the least dangerous Republican candidate.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
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But... Jeb Bush argued Tuesday that the United States is "creeping toward multiculturalism" and described it as "the wrong approach."
His answer came in response to a question at an Iowa diner Tuesday from a woman who wanted to know how the former Florida governor would help refugees and immigrants integrate into U.S. society and "empower them to become Americans."
"We should not have a multicultural society," the Republican presidential candidate responded.
But Bush, who's a self-admitted policy wonk and tends to use nuanced language, was referring to "multicultural" in the literal sense -- a social model in which cultures live in "isolated pockets," as he described them, rather than assimilating into society. He'd better learn what multicultural means - this sounds either xenophobic or just plain dumb. Multicultural DOES NOT mean that every group lives in its own "isolated pocket". It DOES MEAN accepting and integrating other cultural values into the heterogeneous mix of what is called "American" culture. (Some would argue that that is an oxymoron.) It also means tolerance and inclusion. CNN
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"Least dangerous" does not mean "not dangerous."
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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he failed the purity test
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