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...The Clinton's are masters at political triangulation and I'd be willing to bet that Bubba and Hilly have at least discussed this privately. I bet they didn't use email to do it, either.
You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete. R. Buckminster Fuller
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My son suggested the same idea(and he is not well informed on politics). I without thinking agreed but have had some time to think about it.
If the Dems went with left and lefter they would essentially limit their possible and probable voting groups to liberals only. So unless there is a huge Democratic Party turnout it sounds more like a recipe for failure than an opportunity to win the WH.
If they can find a centrist who can appeal to everyone to the right of Sec Clinton, they would be in a much better position to win. This is fairly standard general election politics and in this case it really makes sense.
ignorance is the enemy without equality there is no liberty America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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Here's one handicapper discussing VP choices: Top 15 Hillary Running Mates for 2016 My prediction is for an up-and-comer, like Cory Booker, Duval Patrick, or Julian Castro. Indeed, Castro will be a star at the Convention whether or not he is the first Hispanic nominee. With him on the ticket, I see a huge turnout and a Dem blowout. Millenials, Hispanics, and liberals would love that combo, it would castrate (pun intended) Rubio or Bush's infiltration of the Hispanic population, and would install a front-runner for the 2024 race. Clinton does not show her age as much as the men who are competing against her (and as much as the GOP youngsters hope), and the combination of a younger VP and an experienced Presidential candidate will have some of the same synergy that Obama/Biden had.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Las Vegas odds makers still have Hillary winning the November 2016 general election and Jeb Bush as the Republican POTUS nominee.
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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Shouldn't this be filed under Campaign 2016? This is why we need Campaign 2016 to be its own forum header, not just a discussion thread. But anyway, did anyone else notice that ALL the polls had Bernie as the winner while all the cable news anchors said Hillary won? I'd like to take real ACTUAL anchors, tie them around their necks and drop them in the Pacific where they could actually do the job an anchor is supposed to do. Reading CNN's OFFICIAL poll which had Bernie as the winner at EIGHTY PERCENT and then hearing the talking heads oozing and suppurating for Hillary reminded me of when the Carter administration sent emergency supplies of wheat to the Soviet Union because they were experiencing crop failures. Meanwhile the nightly "Vremya" newscast had the anchors chortling about their magnificent bumper crops and "great benefit to Soviet people from collectives." ![[Linked Image from scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net]](https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/t31.0-8/12094766_10206223204633992_4894650966496023221_o.jpg)
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Fact checkers have trouble finding misstated "facts" during first Dem debate - conservatives shake their tiny fists in fury and scream: Liberal media bias
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Carpal Tunnel
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If the Dems went with left and lefter they would essentially limit their possible and probable voting groups to liberals only. Whoa there cowboy! Madame Clinton is a moderate. She aint no lefty at all. Bernie Sanders' considerable success running further left than The Green Party is proving that there are a lot of Democratic voters who find Clinton far too conservative for their tastes. I'll admit that she's way left of any of the Republican candidates but that puts her pretty much dead center on the right/left scale. Clinton will not pull a single vote from anyone registered as a Republican. Moderate Democrats will all dutifully vote for her just as they will for Bernie Sanders if he should win the nomination. My thought is just that a lot of Progressives might stay home next November if Bernie is no longer in the picture. I don't think it will matter one whit though. Whoever she chooses, she will still win the General Election against any of the Republican Insane Clown Posse. But if she wants to pull in the lefties and Millenials in droves Bernies as a running mate would do it. Julian Castro is a nice choice too but, I think she's already got the Hispanic vote locked up anyway.
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Oh, and I mean no disrespect to the real Insane Clown Posse
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Pooh-Bah
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Where's God when shiit goes down?
You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete. R. Buckminster Fuller
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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Here's something to consider... All of you naysayers may very well be right, America may not be ready for a democratic socialist after all. But does it really matter when the next ten years will see HALF of ALL human jobs become obsolete on a GLOBAL scale? Moore's Law, the economies of scale, advanced robotics and artificial intelligence are all going to converge and make half the global workforce irrelevant in the next decade. COUNT ON IT. Someone please tell me how a fully unregulated, darwinist/dickensian capitalist system is going to be relevant in an environment like that? Fish can argue all day long about why water is important and essential but if the pond dries up and they haven't adapted like this critter, they're gonna die. Walking Catfish
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