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Should a recent discovery change the way you read the Bible? There are often new discoveries in the world of science and technology, but new findings in the Bible are a whole different story.
Jeffrey Alan Miller, an assistant professor of English at Montclair State University, recently uncovered a notebook that is believed to be the oldest known draft of King James Bible. Some experts have called it one of the most significant archival findings in the history of Biblical research.
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Miller found the manuscript last fall after he was asked to write about Samuel Ward, one of the roughly 47 known translators of King James's Bible. Not much is known about why these individuals who were asked to be translators, and Miller traveled to the Sidney Sussex College in Cambridge, where many of Ward's papers and manuscript notebooks were archived.
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Later in the research process, Miller found a manuscript notebook that had been cataloged as containing "unknown biblical commentary." It was intriguing enough that the professor snapped a picture and brought it home for further study. Back in the U.S., he realized the manuscript was not commentary, but, in fact, a portion of the Bible that Ward had been asked to translate.
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There are known to be several books that were part of the earliest(way before the King James version) Bible that are now left out. And some of the Bible were changed (The Epistles of Paul) that were written to reflect not what Jesus taught, but what man did not really like. Paul was a known misogynist, and directly contradicted what Jesus did with the women that believed and followed him. The Roman Catholic Church built upon that, and duly described women to be "vessels of sin". Women in the earliest Christian faith were the equivalent of priests and preachers, but were forced out due to jealousy and greed. I am actually surprised that Mary Magdalene and the Book of Ester were included in the Bible.
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Some have speculated that the Gospel of John was actually told by Mary, Jesus's wife. (The Gospels were an oral tradition for hundreds of years before they were written down.)
After all, "the women" were the ones who found the stone rolled back from the tomb which is pretty much the whole point of the Christ Story. Do you think maybe their part in the whole thing has been diminished over the centuries? Do you think that had something to do with only men being literate for most of that time, so every generation of translators has been male?
Islam (like Mormonism) is probably much more faithful to the original because the illiterate Prophets of both dictated their Gospels to a scribe. Christianity suffered several hundred years of "rusty telephone" before anybody started writing stuff down. Then it went from Aramaic to Greek to Latin to English.
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I recently expressed my skepticism of the "validity" of most of "the Bible" to someone I know to be pretty open-minded, and was surprised that they took offense. I explained that I didn't denigrate the "themes" of the Bible, just that there were many versions and mistranslations, as well as some selective editing in creating what is now the "official" version. (Un)surprisingly, they were not aware of the Council of Nicea, of the history of various translations. I mean, really, you do realize that Jesus did not speak English (or Latin or Greek), right, and the "King James Bible" was only created 1600 years after the events?
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I recently expressed my skepticism of the "validity" of most of "the Bible" to someone I know to be pretty open-minded, and was surprised that they took offense. I explained that I didn't denigrate the "themes" of the Bible, just that there were many versions and mistranslations, as well as some selective editing in creating what is now the "official" version. (Un)surprisingly, they were not aware of the Council of Nicea, of the history of various translations. I mean, really, you do realize that Jesus did not speak English (or Latin or Greek), right, and the "King James Bible" was only created 1600 years after the events? 
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Should a recent discovery change the way you read the Bible? There are often new discoveries in the world of science and technology, but new findings in the Bible are a whole different story.
Jeffrey Alan Miller, an assistant professor of English at Montclair State University, recently uncovered a notebook that is believed to be the oldest known draft of King James Bible. Some experts have called it one of the most significant archival findings in the history of Biblical research.
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Miller found the manuscript last fall after he was asked to write about Samuel Ward, one of the roughly 47 known translators of King James's Bible. Not much is known about why these individuals who were asked to be translators, and Miller traveled to the Sidney Sussex College in Cambridge, where many of Ward's papers and manuscript notebooks were archived.
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Later in the research process, Miller found a manuscript notebook that had been cataloged as containing "unknown biblical commentary." It was intriguing enough that the professor snapped a picture and brought it home for further study. Back in the U.S., he realized the manuscript was not commentary, but, in fact, a portion of the Bible that Ward had been asked to translate. Like all fiction-it can be adapted and interpreted to fit whatever the desired end.
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Jebus, on the other hand, did speak English and also rode around on a dinosaur.
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Jebus, on the other hand, did speak English and also rode around on a dinosaur.  He also had a 10 gallon hat and a six shooter for when those dinos got unruly.
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them."
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"The cleverest of all, in my opinion, is the man who calls himself a fool at least once a month."
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Should a recent discovery change the way you read the Bible? Nothing is liable to change the way I read the Bible.
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LOL. Me either, my friend.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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