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I don't know, Rick,I think most extreme fundamentalists are capable of atrocity. True and I agree. I was addressing Ken's post regarding Islamic extremists.
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The mistake France made is they let people go to Syria to fight with ISIL and then let them came back to France. Their "solution" was to just keep an eye on the returnees. For example, they were watching the brothers who did the Charlie Hebdo attack, but stopped the surveillance six month before the attack to watch other people.
We try to arrest and imprison people BEFORE they get to Syria. Maybe France should go pick up the 200 or so known returnees and see what they have been doing. It might be interesting to search their spaces to see if they have any guns, tap their phones, track them for a few weeks to see if they go meet with attack planners, etc.
Hopefully France does't do something big and stupid with their many hydrogen bombs. They could turn all of Syria into a plain of molten glass, if they wanted.
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The mistake France made is they let people go to Syria to fight with ISIL and then let them came back to France. Their "solution" was to just keep an eye on the returnees. For example, they were watching the brothers who did the Charlie Hebdo attack, but stopped the surveillance six month before the attack to watch other people.
We try to arrest and imprison people BEFORE they get to Syria. Maybe France should go pick up the 200 or so known returnees and see what they have been doing. It might be interesting to search their spaces to see if they have any guns, tap their phones, track them for a few weeks to see if they go meet with attack planners, etc.
Hopefully France does't do something big and stupid with their many hydrogen bombs. They could turn all of Syria into a plain of molten glass, if they wanted. I agree. France should expell the 200. If they faught for ISIS/ISIL, then they would expand the ISIS ideal of a caliphate-even to France.
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I think we have plenty of room at Guantanamo, if they want to sublet. Of course France has a long history of tropical island hellholes. They probably have a few left.
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I think it helps to understand what motivates these people. I might have posted this article here before but in case one missed it here it is again. What ISIS wantsThe definitive essay, definitely.
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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The mistake France made is they let people go to Syria to fight with ISIL and then let them came back to France. Their "solution" was to just keep an eye on the returnees. For example, they were watching the brothers who did the Charlie Hebdo attack, but stopped the surveillance six month before the attack to watch other people.
We try to arrest and imprison people BEFORE they get to Syria. Maybe France should go pick up the 200 or so known returnees and see what they have been doing. It might be interesting to search their spaces to see if they have any guns, tap their phones, track them for a few weeks to see if they go meet with attack planners, etc.
Hopefully France does't do something big and stupid with their many hydrogen bombs. They could turn all of Syria into a plain of molten glass, if they wanted. According to the latest news, seems they may be doing exactly that right now. Let's hope so.
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Reading that article is disturbing and presents the likelihood that there is no antidote to the thrust of ISIS. How to deal with such sincerely held beliefs? Possibly over time other Muslims will soften it much as Christians modified their fellows in the Dark Ages.
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Caption under a photo of a fairly normal looking guy in the article: Musa Cerantonio, an Australian preacher reported to be one of the Islamic State’s most influential recruiters, believes it is foretold that the caliphate will sack Istanbul before it is beaten back by an army led by the anti-Messiah, whose eventual death— when just a few thousand jihadists remain—will usher in the apocalypse. Referring over to the "Consciousness: brain function, or more?" topic, this fits into my fanciful metaphor where humans are the cells of a greater organism; and that these unhinged, crazy mofos are cancer cells - they do not function for the good of the organism. Somehow in their peculiar state of consciousness they are viewing apocalyptic B-grade movies on their inner synaptic Big Screens. All the RightWingNuts live in the same sort of dystopian fantasy worlds. A vaccine is needed.
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Caption under a photo of a fairly normal looking guy in the article: Musa Cerantonio, an Australian preacher reported to be one of the Islamic State’s most influential recruiters, believes it is foretold that the caliphate will sack Istanbul before it is beaten back by an army led by the anti-Messiah, whose eventual death— when just a few thousand jihadists remain—will usher in the apocalypse. Referring over to the "Consciousness: brain function, or more?" topic, this fits into my fanciful metaphor where humans are the cells of a greater organism; and that these unhinged, crazy mofos are cancer cells - they do not function for the good of the organism. Somehow in their peculiar state of consciousness they are viewing apocalyptic B-grade movies on their inner synaptic Big Screens. All the RightWingNuts live in the same sort of dystopian fantasy worlds. A vaccine is needed. Not a vaccine, a surgical removal of the cancerous cells. Extirpation by scalpel. Or radiation?
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Thanks for rereading the article Phil. I think it is absolutely important everyone read it including the many not associated with this board. The main problem with ISIS--Daesh-or whatever name on chooses is this-- from the article: The Islamic State’s ideology exerts powerful sway over a certain subset of the population. Life’s hypocrisies and inconsistencies vanish in its face. Musa Cerantonio and the Salafis I met in London are unstumpable: no question I posed left them stuttering. These are people of which it’s absolutely their way or no way at all. No negotiation of any sort is possible as that is apostasy, and borders are meaningless. They must be eliminated. Although I don’t think absolutist thinking can itself be eliminated.
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
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