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Golem #282875 11/17/15 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Golem
The Left and the Attack on Paris

Dennis Prager
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Who is Dennis Prager? He sounds like a moron...


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Golem, your article lacks facts such as:

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Here's the verdict of the UK's Joint Intelligence Committee, in a memo sent to Tony Blair in February 2003, a month before the invasion:

"The JIC assessed that al-Qaeda and associated groups continued to represent by far the greatest terrorist threat to western interests, and that threat would be heightened by military action against Iraq."

Here's the verdict of a postwar study conducted by the Defence Academy for the Ministry of Defence:

"The war in Iraq . . . has acted as a recruiting sergeant for extremists across the Muslim world . . . Iraq has served to radicalise an already disillusioned youth and al-Qaeda has given them the will, intent, purpose and ideology to act."

Here's the verdict of ex-MI5 boss, Eliza Manningham-Buller:

"[W]hatever the merits of putting an end to Saddam Hussein, the war was also a distraction from the pursuit of al-Qaeda. It increased the terrorist threat by convincing more people that Osama Bin Laden's claim that Islam was under attack was correct. It provided an arena for the jihad for which he had called, so that many of his supporters, including British citizens, travelled to Iraq to attack western forces . . . And our involvement in Iraq spurred some young British Muslims to turn to terror."

Here's the verdict of another former MI5 chief, Stella Rimmington:

"Look at what those people who've been arrested or have left suicide videos say about their motivation. And most of them, as far as I'm aware, say that the war in Iraq played a significant part in persuading them that this is the right course of action to take. So I think you can't write the war in Iraq out of history. If what we're looking at is groups of disaffected young men born in this country who turn to terrorism, then I think to ignore the effect of the war in Iraq is misleading."

Here is the verdict of the 2006 National Intelligence Estimate, ie the consensus view of 16 US intelligence agencies:

"We assess that the Iraq jihad is shaping a new generation of terrorist leaders and operatives . . . The Iraq conflict has become the "cause celebre" for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement."

Here's the verdict of the then director of the CIA, Porter Goss:

"The Iraq conflict, while not a cause of extremism, has become a cause for extremists. Those jihadists who survive will leave Iraq experienced in and focused on acts of urban terrorism. They represent a potential pool of contacts to build transnational terrorist cells, groups and networks in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and other countries."

Here's the verdict of National Intelligence Council, the CIA director's in-house think tank:

Iraq provides terrorists with "a training ground, a recruitment ground, the opportunity for enhancing technical skills," said David B Low, the national intelligence officer for transnational threats. "There is even, under the best scenario, over time, the likelihood that some of the jihadists who are not killed there will, in a sense, go home, wherever home is, and will therefore disperse to various other countries."

Here's the verdict of the former chief of the CIA's Bin Laden unit, Michael Scheuer, in an interview with me for our 9/11 special issue of the New Statesman earlier this month:

"Iraq moved Osama and al-Qaeda from man and group to philosophy and movement. I don't think we've begun to see the disaster Iraq is going to cause in the years to come."

Here is the verdict of Australia's Office of National Assessments:

"A key judgement is that Iraq has been clearly used as a recruiting tool for terrorist groups around the globe with the number of jihadis steadily increasing."

Here is the verdict of the hawkish London think tank, the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS):

"Invading Iraq damaged the war on terror, there is no doubt about that. It has strengthened rather than weakened al-Qaeda."

Here is the verdict of another respected London foreign-affairs think tank, Chatham House, reporting just 11 days after the 7/7 attacks:

"There is no doubt that the situation over Iraq has imposed particular difficulties for the UK, and for the wider coalition against terrorism. It gave a boost to the al-Qaeda network's propaganda, recruitment and fundraising, caused a major split in the coalition, provided an ideal targeting and training area for al-Qaeda-linked terrorists and deflected resources and assistance that could have been deployed . . . to bring Bin Laden to justice."
And the list goes on...

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Now, if the author of your article doesn't know that ISIS is an off-shoot of Al Qaeda then I, for one, would like to know what rock he's been living under for the past years.
But just in case:

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The group originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999, which pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda in 2004. The group participated in the Iraqi insurgency that followed the March 2003 invasion of Iraq by Western forces. In January 2006, it joined other Sunni insurgent groups to form the Mujahideen Shura Council, which proclaimed the formation of the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) in October 2006. After the Syrian Civil War began in March 2011, the ISI, under the leadership of al-Baghdadi, sent delegates into Syria in August 2011. These fighters named themselves Jabhat an-Nuṣrah li-Ahli ash-Shām—al-Nusra Front—and established a large presence in Sunni-majority areas of Syria, within the governorates of Ar-Raqqah, Idlib, Deir ez-Zor, and Aleppo. In April 2013, al-Baghdadi announced the merger of the ISI with al-Nusra Front and that the name of the reunited group was now the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL). However, Abu Mohammad al-Julani and Ayman al-Zawahiri, the leaders of al-Nusra and al-Qaeda respectively, rejected the merger. After an eight-month power struggle, al-Qaeda cut all ties with ISIL on 3 February 2014, citing its failure to consult and "notorious intransigence". In Syria, the group has conducted ground attacks on both government forces and rebel factions in the Syrian Civil War. The group gained prominence after it drove Iraqi government forces out of key cities in western Iraq in an offensive initiated in early 2014. Iraq's territorial loss almost caused a collapse of the Iraqi government and prompted a renewal of US military action in Iraq.


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Originally Posted by Golem
Dennis Prager
Dennis Prager?!? Isn't he the conservative family value guy who has two kids - one each from a different baby mama AND has been married three times? Yeah...he knows a thing or two about being correct. coffee

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The left's reactions to the terror attack on Paris are in keeping with its tradition of getting almost everything wrong.
See above - Dennis Prager...enough said.

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Take Bernie Sanders, for example. At the Democratic presidential debate, one day after the Paris attack, the democratic socialist candidate made this observation about al-Qaida.
Iraqi Provisional Act No. 2 signed by L Paul Bremmer fired the Iraqi Army less than three months after we invaded Iraq. Those fired took their knowledge about guns and bad guys and went somewhere. Can you say ISIL? Dennis continues to show what a dumb ass he is...


...and how is ISIL funded? Oh perhaps that $12 billion dollar pallet of $100 bills that the Bush Cabal watch vanish a year later in May 2004.


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Originally Posted by logtroll
Originally Posted by Golem
The Left and the Attack on Paris

Dennis Prager
Townhall
November 17, 2015
Who Dennis Prager? He sounds like a moron...
He's an old white conservative (quelle surprise) dumb ass who hosts a third-tier radio talk show with really low Arbitron ratings.


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RETROFIT KITS FOR CURRENT gasoline cars
What fuel would propel them?

And yes, if the demand for oil from the ME dropped precipitously it would indeed change the equation entirely.

What fuel? Electric. Retrofitting conventional cars as hybrids or electric isn't as complex as it would seem.
That's not saying that all retrofit kits would perform perfectly, some will be better than others, but let's face it, one of the risks of another war over there might just be ten dollar a gallon gasoline.


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Electric vehicles are also becoming part of the electrical energy storage system. I know several people with PV systems and electric cars - they charge their vehicles from their roofs, and their cars can supply power back after dark.


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Dennis Prager is a political commentator.

He is on his third marriage. So is my wife.

He has a talk radio show. Unlike some of his more popular colleagues, he is thoughtful and does not resort to bluster and demagoguery.

He is a former liberal.

He is an observant Jew. Being a Jew and a conservative makes him a pariah to a lot of American Jews - but then, to a lot of American Jews, their religion is leftism rather than Judaism.

Dennis is not perfect, but he is still a mensch.

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Originally Posted by Golem
Dennis is not perfect, but he is still a mensch.
Sorry, mensch he definitely is not. And I don't see how his being Jewish has anything to do with his malinformed article.


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ISIS/ISIL is as hypocritical as the RWN. They found that people will Big Bucks for Iraqi antiquities, which they used to distroy as idol symbols(ostensibly against the Koran), so they gain a lot of money for their "cause" through the Black market after looting museums and private collections.

Isis profits from destruction of an... from to conceal the evidence of looting


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Originally Posted by Ezekiel
Originally Posted by Golem
Dennis is not perfect, but he is still a mensch.
Sorry, mensch he definitely is not. And I don't see how his being Jewish has anything to do with his malinformed article.
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