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The fact that they are ALREADY talking about a brokered convention means that The Donald is going to be ousted one way or another. If he runs on an independent ticket, so much the better. He'll take away votes from whomever the nominee is. It's a lose-lose for the Repubs.  The last time we had three candidates, we got a Clinton elected into Office.  , 
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Having stated the above, I am not a Hillary fan, I'd prefer Bernie and will vote for him in the primaries. I will vote for Hillz if she is the nominee over any of the R-clown bus riders.
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First the RNC came for Donald Trump, then Ben Carson said: I think you want the other guyDoctor Ben Carson would like you all to know he is not one bit pleased about these murmurings that the GOP establishment is plotting to deny the nomination to Donald Trump - or to Ben Carson, which could totally still happen, he thinks. And by golly, if all those Washington Insiders who have never separated conjoined twins even once keep planning for a brokered convention, Carson said Friday, he will say goodbye to the Republican Party and let it collapse without him. Talking Points Memo
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Having stated the above, I am not a Hillary fan, I'd prefer Bernie and will vote for him in the primaries. I will vote for Hillz if she is the nominee over any of the R-clown bus riders. With ya on that one, brother. As Scout very aptly said: I'll hold my nose and vote for Hillary.
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Rick, if I recall correctly, you were supporter of Madame Clinton in 2008, or at least preferred her over Pres. Obama. I like Bernie, I like everything he stands for, but I still think Clinton will be a more effective president. In 2008 I preferred Obama because I was afraid the Republicans were so united in their campaign against her that she would be defeated. Ultimately McCain's selection of Sarah Palin as a running mate pretty much doomed their chances of winning that time around so her electability was a moot point. All in all, I believe President Obama has done a fine job and I'm glad he has been our president rather than Hillary Clinton. Things have changed though, in my opinion, she is the best candidate in the race to deal with the problems we face today and the grumpy Republican majority in Congress and to keep America moving forward. While there is only one Bernie Sanders and we shall not see his like again in my lifetime, I simply don't believe he can enact all(or any of) the sweeping domestic changes he endorses.
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Rick, if I recall correctly, you were supporter of Madame Clinton in 2008, or at least preferred her over Pres. Obama. I voted for BAMZ! in the 2008 primary. So, no was not a Hillary deciple then either.
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Things have changed though, in my opinion, she is the best candidate in the race to deal with the problems we face today and the grumpy Republican majority in Congress and to keep America moving forward.
... I don't think so. She'll be a Repub lite (not the crazy, zombie, crypto-fascist wing). My hope is that Bernie can make enough of a difference in the political discourse that she will have to wake up and smell the manure. But in the primary, he's got my vote.
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My hope is that Bernie can make enough of a difference in the political discourse that she will have to wake up and smell the manure. But in the primary, he's got my vote. Hillary won't fall far from the tree. Bill did give us NAFTA, the repeal of Glass-Steagall, and unregulated derivatives. Bill did broker the Easter Sunday accord and oversee economic development and growth in the U.S.
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If I could vote in the primary I too would throw Bernie a bone.
But I can't and I'm not going to change my political affiliation just for this election. I'm an Independent and proud that I have never been associated with any particular political party.
Hillary may not be far enough left for some but I don't think the time is right for someone like Bernie. I don't believe Madame Clinton is by any means "Republican light". She's not as far left of the center line as Bernie but these days Republicans have veered totally off the road, across the ditch and are somewhere way out in the woods on the right hand side.
No matter which one of them gets the nomination I wont have to hold my nose to vote for either of them. I'll gladly vote for whichever candidate is running against the new National Socialist Party.
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its somewhat early here, as my brain is trying to wake up but some stream along the way ....
based on current trends i see a situation of three blocks at the convention
1. the Trump
2. Sen Cruz
3. establishment (Rubio-Bush complex)
i see each block having about the same support and none giving an inch. how many times will they vote before everyone realizes the party is completely fractured and they can not present a candidate unless they broker for a single voice? either the establishment gives in to the crazies or vice versa.
the other day limbaugh was commenting about Fiorina's comment that if Trump was the candidate Sec Clinton would easily win but he poo pooed that by arguing if that were true then she, Fiorina, could do the same. Clearly he is clueless as the comparison is not equivalent. had he actually understood the difference he would understand the establishments quandary as they clearly understand the situation.
everyone's analysis is if Trump is the candidate Sec Clinton wins easily. the establishment has no choice but to broker the convention at the convention
ignorance is the enemy
without equality there is no liberty
America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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