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Jeff I am sure you are aware of this. But if not perhaps they might need your talents “over there” for a while:

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Most Americans probably associate Qingdao, China, with beer. In 1903, German and British settlers founded the Tsingtao Brewery there, and Teutonic influence can still be seen in some of the architecture in older parts of town. But the city’s temperate climate and coastal setting, almost 350 miles north of Shanghai, lend it an atmosphere that more strongly recalls Southern California, an association lately reinforced by the new buildings going up on the coastline southwest of town. There, on a steep green hillside that overlooks the Yellow Sea, you’ll see a gigantic sign with white freestanding characters: 东方影都, which translates literally as “Eastern Cinema.” It’s like the Hollywood sign that has overlooked Los Angeles since 1923, only bigger.

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They have absolutely no use for a gaijin over there.
It would be fun but I would not be welcome.


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And ain’t that funny that gaijin are not accepted in China.

I was under the impression that racism was solely the providence of white Americans in the USA.

Say it aint so Jeff. Please.

I could add a lot of funnies regarding Asians hating upon other Asians. And Asian racism in general. But that is too irritating--no?


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Naah not really, but I would have to say that the Chinese are intent on proving that they do not NEED any Hollywood types and that the next generation of blockbuster films are going to come from China.

And it might come as a surprise to Murricans, especially Murricans in the film business, but it's the blockbuster model itself that will spell out the demise of the Hollywood film industry. Had we continued to allow filmmakers to take risks with offerings that center around story, photography, plot, directing, editing, and overall innovation instead of narrowing it down to "blockbuster" formulas that center around the number of CGI and VFX per minute, and had we not maintained focus strictly on 8-24 year old audiences, our films would not have turned into a consumer product more akin to cheap Chinese knockoff goods.
The Chinese simply intend to show the world that they too can make cheap knockoff goods as well as Hollywood does, and for less money.

Our studio system doesn't tolerate FILMS AS ART anymore, they haven't for about twenty years, maybe. There have been a few exceptions but for the most part there have to be a certain number of explosions, a certain amount of violence, and a certain amount of VFX or the film doesn't get made.

And if film isn't art, what is it? It's something that can always be made for less money somewhere else, because the art doesn't matter anymore.

If you want art, turn on one of the premium cable channels.
Premium cable is enjoying a golden age that Hollywood movies can't ever hope to offer again.


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Originally Posted by Jeffery J. Haas
...And it might come as a surprise to Murricans, especially Murricans in the film business, but it's the blockbuster model itself that will spell out the demise of the Hollywood film industry...
Over Christmas, I binged watched the Terminator movies. I'd never seen ANY of them. The one that came out over July 4th weekend 2015 ruined the whole premise of the franchise. Talk about shooting themselves in the foot.

IMBD states that Terminator 5 cost $155m to make and it brought in only $87m in the U.S. Looked into the movie after seeing it as it was only .99¢ to download rent; whereas, all the other Terminators were $3.99. I wondered why Term5 was so cheap to rent.


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but it’s the blockbuster model itself that will spell out the demise of the Hollywood film industry
Martha and I greatly enjoy “small movies”. Those with a story line, character development, and actor interactions. Recently the film Nebraska comes to mind but there are others. Hollywood has indeed been co-opted by the blockbuster spectacle model that mostly relies on loud noises and special effects.

I do know that our generation longs for these types of small films but I am not sure if the market supports it. And it’s all about the bottom line--no?



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The first two Terminators were fun. 1 being grim and 2 a little more light hearted with Arnold all of a sudden being the good guy. I did not see the following ones.

Blockbusters can at times be fun. But if that’s all ya got the Hollywood industry will indeed die. Humans want escape. But they also want to see stuff that rings true.


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Martha and I greatly enjoy “small movies”. Those with a story line, character development, and actor interactions. Recently the film Nebraska comes to mind but there are others. Hollywood has indeed been co-opted by the blockbuster spectacle model that mostly relies on loud noises and special effects.

I do know that our generation longs for these types of small films but I am not sure if the market supports it. And it’s all about the bottom line--no?

The indie model is workable but indies still rely upon the majors to do the distribution, so they run into trouble there.
The majors don't like giving up revenue to indies, so it's a game of cat and mouse.

Eventually the internet outlets like Netflix, Hulu, Crackle and Amazon are going to wind up annexing the indies altogether.

The majors don't realize it yet but their dependence upon "tentpole" franchises and blockbusters may end up making them far too specialized a species to survive once China starts flexing its muscles.


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Originally Posted by Ken Condon
...and 2 a little more light hearted with Arnold all of a sudden being the good guy.
I know, right? What's up with that?

You'll probably not see 5 (spoiler alert!) - they made John Conner a Terminator machine. AND!!! They CGI'd 2015 Arnold to fight the 1984 Arnold at the Griffith Park Observatory scenes from Term 1 (they used the exact same footage) and he fought himself which then changed the whole time line and events. WTF?!? Hmm

Dumb...dumb...dumb! crazy


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