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Ol Cliven doesn’t appear to be too bright. It is said he was heading to the Malheur Refuge from the Portland airport. If that was true he should have flown to Boise ID which is a 3 hour drive from refuge.
Portland is more than a five hour drive. A piece of trivia: a large swath of Eastern Oregon is on Mountain time. That’s because economically it has closer ties to Idaho businesses than Oregon businesses. The Snake River forms the border between the two states but when one is in Ontario Oregon (and environs) one might as well be in Idaho. It feels and looks like Idaho! Pro'lly a difference of $20 to fly from Reno--->Portland and Reno--->Boise - but more than $20 in gas to drive two hours further. 
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The Obama Administration was initially too nice, warm and fuzzy to these militia extremists.
Let's consider the Black Lives Matter movement taking over a federal property. Would they get free passages to travel to Safeway and back? Would they be allowed to meet with the FBI, not be arrested, and then return to their occupied federal building?
That, folks, IS the very definition of white privilege.
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The occupier's Mormon pocket-sized Constitution explained it all to them. #MormonISIS
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VIOLATIONS: 18 U.S.C. § 371 - Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States; 18 U.S.C. § 111(b) - Assault on a Federal Law Enforcement Officer; 18 U.S.C. § 924(c) - Use and carry of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence; 18 U.S.C. § 1503 - Obstruction of the administration of justice; 18 U.S.C. § 1951 - Interference with commerce by extortion; 18 U.S.C. § 2 - Aiding and abetting PDF enclosed
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It always amazes/amuses/flabbergasts me just how ignorant those who claim to be following the Constitution are about the content of the document they claim to support. This whole controversy was based on the claim that the federal government couldn't own land (not that they shouldn't).* Of course, the Constitution itself belies that claim: The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States, or of any particular state. Article 4, section 3. Inconvenient, huh? * Napolitano: Washington lacks constitutional right to own land in Western states
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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This Bundy Bungle is a good example of guns making some people feel powerful and above the law.
I find it interesting that the charges against Cliven Bundy have nothing to do with cows (that legal matter was concluded 20 years ago) and everything to do with using guns to violate the law.
You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
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the federal government ... the Constitution C. Bundy claimed he does not recognize the federal government .... ergo ergo Bundy made clear what I have often wondered and believe, these clowns would not have ratified the Constitution .... free range humans .... geniuses
ignorance is the enemy
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It always amazes/amuses/flabbergasts me just how ignorant those who claim to be following the Constitution are about the content of the document they claim to support. This whole controversy was based on the claim that the federal government couldn't own land (not that they shouldn't).* Of course, the Constitution itself belies that claim: The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States, or of any particular state. Article 4, section 3. Inconvenient, huh? * Napolitano: Washington lacks constitutional right to own land in Western statesHow can one appreciate what the Constitution says when one carries around a pocket-version and mis-interpreted version of the Constitution? 
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Word on the street is that some non-locals packing weapons have been seen around here in the company of Adrian Sewell.
Tuesday night we are having a public forum on militia invasions.
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People tend to forget the bombing of the Oklahoma City Bombing of the federal building "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing". Its generally agreed that McVeigh didn't do it all on his own and there were a lot more people involved than just those caught. The other assumptions is that this was motivated, and carried out, by homegrown religious maniacs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombinghttp://www.ethicsdaily.com/an-accurate-look-at-timothy-mcveighs-beliefs-cms-15532http://www.mainstreambaptists.org/htdocs/mob4/christian_identity.htmhttp://www.thefrisky.com/2015-11-18...mericans-as-muslim-extremists-since-911/https://www.rt.com/usa/269506-american-terroist-attacks-study/The strange thing about OUR terrorists is that they all seem to be politically to the Right and not the Left. In other words, if you pay attention to the current nonsense being spouted by the Righteous Right, you will hear it all. There is also the argument as to whether McVeigh was really a Christian. I suspect this is a silly argument. The problem is that "Christian" is never really defined. I believe most of these folks are Old Testament 'Christians', ie. not Christians at all, in any real sense. I am basing this thought on the simple fact that, when they quote scripture, its inevitably the Old Testament. A current example of home growed terrorism, the Bundy thing is interesting. This is a guy who people think is not particularly bright. This, in the face of the simple fact that he has been about to graze over 1000 head of cattle for free on federal (tax payer) land for free for over 20 years! This guy praises the Lord and the Constitution. He has also been convicted in a court of law not just once but several times and seems to have skated each time. We have terrorists because, if they are ours, I guess its all right? http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/0...rverted-version-of-the-real-thing-video/I cannot resist. I also find it interesting that these people share the reverence, for the Old Testament, with Islam which has, obviously, spawned their very own group of terrorists. Its of interest, I think, that the current term "terrorist" defines people who tend to kill and blame it all on God. I also tend to believe that "Christians" don't contain their own terrorists any better than Islam does, or, I expect, any other religions spawning terrorists. Hindus have theirs as do the saintly and spiritual Buddhists. You can google all this stuff.
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