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Issodhos, you are way offtopic. If we have finished this topic I will shortly close it. Incorrect. I am very much on-topic. Indeed, my post goes to the very heart of this discussion. I await anyone's argument. Yours, Issodhos
"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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What about public flatulating? Comparing smoking with fertin' seems fair enough. I'm a former smoker and a practicing pooter, and my experience is that the latter is as enjoyable as the former. I know of no rules or ordinances banning public off-peelin' of nasties, but isn't the norm to only draw attention to oneself with a cloud when there is no option (audible or nasal attributability or no dog to kick)?
I once watched a drunk guy ask a woman if she would mind if he smoked. She spat tobacco juice on his shirt and told him, "be my guest." God, she was hot! Stootch- You and my "brother-in-law" would SO "get-a-long". 
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You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time,but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.[A. Lincoln]
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What I wrote is "is there a time in the known history of man when it was not the nature of man to communicate ideas?" Note the word I italicized. It is indeed key. Your proposition proves nothing because the definition of the situation assumes the the proposition itself. That is to say, if you have human history that has somehow been recorded/remembered, then obviously you also have ideas. Further, there is no proof that other animals do not have ideas, so again this provides no provable distinction between humans and other animals. And even if the above were not true, there is no obvious connection between humans having ideas, and the assertion of some human natural rights that are the basis for a particular political philosophy. The natural Rights? No. Though it is within Western Civilization that such Rights were recognized and used to formulate and formalize a political theory. It seems to me that those who appeal to natural Rights intentionally select that rhetoric because it circumvents all discussion about the foundation of the philosophy.... since these rights are labeled as natural, there is nothing to discuss, they are proved by being natural. And not only are they proved, they are proved ABSOLUTELY so that you then have a foundation for an absolutist philosophy I happen to like our Western style society that is based on these ideas. But I do think these ideas are an artifact of western culture. As such native Americans, for example, might have established equally valid societies based upon entirely different concepts. Further, the application of the word "natural" to these rights does not imbue these "rights" with inviolability. And in fact, that nature of politics is that there is a constant struggle between various "rights" One other thing, Arnie, I am not a part of a tag team. Please do not attempt to associate my posts with anyone else's or me with anyone else.
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Issodhos I did not intend to associate you with anyone. Clearly you are unique. I did refer to you and another poster together because it seemed to me that you both expressed similar ideas about a particular point that I wanted to respond to with out ignoring either of you. Please accept my apology for this inadvertent offense to you.... and possibly the other poster who may also have been offended. Arnie
"It's not a lie if you believe it." -- George Costanza
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. --Bertrand Russel
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OK, this topic is now closed
Life is a banquet -- and most poor suckers are starving to death -- Auntie Mame
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