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Presidential hopeful Sen. Bernie Sanders on Monday released a highly ambitious plan to combat climate change, a problem he pointedly says is being perpetuated by the “billionaire fossil fuel lobby.”

The plan, which reads like an environmentalist’s wish list, seeks to reduce U.S. carbon pollution by 40 percent by 2030 and by more than 80 percent by 2050 by putting a tax on carbon, repealing fossil fuel subsidies and making what Sanders describes as “massive” investments in clean energy sources such as wind and solar power.

Sanders (Vt.), who is seeking the Democratic nomination in a race against Hillary Clinton, says his plan would also create 10 million jobs as the country transitions toward a nuclear-free clean energy system for electricity, heating and transportation and that it would decrease the United State’s dependence on foreign oil..

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Among other things, Sanders would ban Arctic oil drilling, ban offshore oil drilling, ban fracking for natural gas, stop exports of liquefied natural gas and crude oil and put a moratorium on nuclear power plant license renewals in the United States.
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Zeke, this is more than just stating a position. He has a plan in place which he is dangling in front of environmentalists as if he would actually be able to enact it.

He also has an immigration plan. Equally ambitious.
He also has a plan for single payer healthcare. Equally ambitious.
He has a plan to make college available for free. He has lots of plans. All of them involve raising taxes. All of them make perfect sense to me and to you. But neither Bernie, nor you and I, get to decide that this stuff will happen. Bernie is dangling all this stuff like a carrot in front of progressive voters. But when it comes right down to the nitty gritty, aint none of it gonna happen unless the Republican Congress says it will happen.


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The energy plan is not even subject to the whims of Congress: It violates the hard facts of physics. Unless we really want to go to rationing electricity, having daily outages, having our limited manufacturing base made non-functional because of unreliable power, etc.

Once we have safe nuclear power developed, we can drop those new reactors right into the existing reactor sites and continue on using all the power we need and not adding any more carbon to the atmosphere. We can even use some reactors to remove carbon from the atmosphere and bury it (like inverse coal).

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I believe the word is plan? It is a statement of position. You can hem and haw but in the end you end up with the same shyte you've had before. Well, at least it gives you something to bitch about.
Yes they are plans. A statement of position. He would do what he could to reach those goals. Now what is wrong with that?
And PIA please! What laws of physics would those be? The ones that the Koch brothers have established?
You both are more afraid of Bernie than the righties!!! ROTFMOL
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Au contraire, mon frer!
I'd love to see Bernie get a shot at it. It would be, without a doubt, be the most fun four years we've seen in Washington in decades.


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Originally Posted by Greger
Sanders might like to ban fracking but it's unlikely he'll be able to.
This is largely the problem with Sanders.
There is plenty of room for wind and solar to grow and in fact they are growing in leaps and bounds, Other countries are able to back away from nuclear and fossil fuels already for their energy needs and there is no reason we can't eventually get on to that bandwagon too.
As we know, Rethugliclown Conservtards hate anything renewable, it's only good old-fashioned dinosaur muck for them or nothing. A favorite meme for them to display is this one:

[Linked Image from i.telegraph.co.uk]


(...as if they really care about wildlife [...or gay dead Ambassadors Hmm ] )


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Originally Posted by Greger
...aint none of it gonna happen unless the Republican Congress says it will happen.
In recent POTUS first terms, the Legislative branch is usually equal to the Executive branch in party affiliation.


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Originally Posted by Greger
Au contraire, mon frer!
I'd love to see Bernie get a shot at it. It would be, without a doubt, be the most fun four years we've seen in Washington in decades.
Yay!!! smile


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In recent POTUS first terms, the Legislative branch is usually equal to the Executive branch in party affiliation.

While we can hope that the Senate might flip if enough Democrats get out and vote, the chances of the House flipping are pretty much nil.
But two outa three aint bad.
I'm not getting my hopes up though. Republicans will, without a doubt, be out in force voting for whichever RWNJ gets the nomination.

The article linked in the opening post is essentially a hit job. Madame Clinton is an able and well prepared candidate who appears somewhat more aware of what a President is actually able to accomplish. She would make an excellent president.
Senator Sanders is an idealist with brilliant and doable ideas and ideals. He would also make an excellent President even if he is unable to accomplish much of what he would like to. He would certainly advance ideas which have lain dormant far too long.
Either will be able to nudge the Supreme court into a more people friendly institution. Both will likely be good for America's energy policies. Bernie will push for more but will be required to compromise more often than he will like, Madame Clinton will push for less and accomplish about the same thing. I will happily vote for whichever one of them gets the nod.

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Clinton's plan focuses largely on residential power usage and is buoyed by a focus on solar. By the end of her hypothetical first term as president, Clinton promised that the United States would have more than 500 million solar panels installed across the country.

The presidential candidate also stressed building an energy grid more focused on renewable energy, particularly solar, by the end of the decade. According to a fact sheet circulated by Clinton's campaign, a Clinton presidency would hope to increase output of solar energy by 700% by the end of the decade.

On Monday, Clinton will expand on her clean energy push in Iowa when she tours that LEED Platinum certified Des Moines Area Regional Transit (DART) Central Station.

Clinton's said he plan would incentivize investment in renewables by increasing the number of government grants for clean energy, extending federal clean energy tax incentives and expanding renewable energy on public lands.

"The decisions we make in the next decade can make all of this possible. Or, they can keep us trapped in the past," Clinton says in the video. "We cannot wait any longer. It is time we stand for healthier climate, stand for cleaner air, for science, for innovation, for our children. For reality, for the future."
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What laws of physics would those be? The ones that the Koch brothers have established?

No I was thinking more of the laws of physics that state a PV solar cell doesn't work very well at night. We need some honking big batteries, if we are going to depend on PV solar cells. We could build some gigantic solar thermal arrays out in the desert, and store heat to use overnight instead I suppose.

Honestly, I was not thinking at all about politics. I have been studying energy generation and storage for years, and we just are not quite there yet. I think we will desperately need natural gas until we get the technology working. Any plan that ignores that is not a plan, it is a fantasy.

I'm not afraid of Bernie. I like Presidents who have lofty goals and dreams, but detailed plans built on magical thinking, not so much. Just like I think Republican "imagineering" some fake reality is a very bad idea and doomed to failure. I suspect letting them do that and NOT calling them on it immediately and repeatedly, was the beginning of the Republican Cloud Cuckoo Land.

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