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... I can only surmise what you believe from your statements here. The fallacy of false induction, based on too little information. A common error. And none of my posts make any mention as to what those who call themselves "Conservative" actually believe. Then what a conservative believes is immaterial to your thesis? And the truth might actually prove inconvenient to your comfortable conspiracy theory? What I do post about is what Conservatives actually do. And what they do is mold their opinions and actions to whatever it takes to maximize the electoral victories of the Republican party: No matter what the winning Republican office holders actually do once in office. Then you have proof that I vote Republican? Do you even have proof that I vote? If I do not vote GOP, or if I do not vote at all, then your theory has a hole in it doesn't it?
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My apologies, Philly Steve, you are correct and I was wrong.
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My initial point when I started this thread was specifically not about how "good" a father the girl's biological father was, but that I could, with 100% accuracy, predict the opinions that we would hear from Conservatives and Family Values types based solely on their desire to garner the Cuban-American vote in the 2008 Presidential Elections. That's very true, Philly Steve. Here's what you said: I can't wait to watch Conservatives twist themselves in knots justifying this. Or, perhaps they won't, and just admit that a Conservative's sole motivation is hate: In this case hate for Fidel Castro, which trumps all other beliefs and therefor justifies siezing children and assigning them the "Right" parents. But so far, the one and only person who has presented anything whatsoever to support your point is you. How about some examples of those knotted Conservatives, Philly Steve? Surely they've had plenty of opportunity to weigh in by now, it's been four, five days, has it not? Lacking that, all we have left is your opinion that "Conservatives are motivated solely by hate." To me, and apparently to everyone else on this board, that is a position of partisan hackery. I can only offer you congratulations: you have narrowed the Hack Gap.
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Then what a conservative believes is immaterial to your thesis? And the truth might actually prove inconvenient to your comfortable conspiracy theory? Correct that what Conservatives believe is immaterial. What they do is of importance. And what Conservatives do is proclaim whatever opinion will gather the votes of the Cuban-American community in Florida in order to gain electoral votes for the Republican candidate for president in 2008. My prediction will confirm what I say about what Conservatives do. In 2009, of course, Conservatives will again become "independent", particularly if their pandering efforts are successful in 2008 and we have a Republican President to Stay the Course. However that will swiftly fade as 2010 rolls around and the need to retain Republican power asserts itself again.
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If I do not vote GOP, or if I do not vote at all, then your theory has a hole in it doesn't it? That you might be part of that 1% of Conservatives who actually do not vote loyally Republican, every time? Perhaps. But I will wager that you will vote loyally for a Republican president in 2008 so that you can honor George W. Bush by "Staying the Course" he has set for America. Any takers?
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But so far, the one and only person who has presented anything whatsoever to support your point is you. Rafael Izquierdo’s daughter Elian Gonzalez Teri Schiavo What more proof do I need?
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For those arguing the 'best interests of the child", I ask would you be willing to submit custody of your own children to that simple test? I mean, if Madonna said, hey I will raise your child in luxury with the finest education, etc., should that give her custody if she can show that you work too many hours to spend much time with him or her? A very, ver poor analogy. During my i-net peregrinations, I found that many left-leaners were/are castigating her for a truly crass act of "economic and reproductive colonialism." My point in this long tortuous discussion has nothing to do with right/left or Dem/GOP... No it should not; however, the thread initiator seems to think it is about nothing else. ...other than my surprise the number of people who describe themselves as pro-family who are siding with the foster parents based upon the "best interests" argument.
To me that is a shocking departure from the arguments usually given to keep the state out of family matters. The fact that one is "pro-family" no more means a dogmatic devotion to the absolute preservation of the family unit than the term "pro-life" means that you cannot be in favor of capital punishment.
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No it should not; however, the thread initiator seems to think it is about nothing else. The thread initiator's point was not about the relative merits of the girl's future residence. It was entirely about the predictability of the opinions expressed by a certain segment of the political spectrum based solely on the Cuban-American vote in the 2008 Presidential elections.
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This case actually reminds me of a similar case some years ago. I can't remember all the details clearly, but I do remember that the mother had signed adoption papers and the father was unaware of the adoption. The father sued for custody of his child, which was eventually granted, even though the child had lived with the adoptive parents since very shortly after his birth. If that case is any indication, then I believe the father in this particular case will eventually be awarded custody. I don't believe it should matter that the father in this case is Cuban, but, given the Elian Gonzales mess, it probably will.
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What more proof do I need? I wouldn't say you need any proof at all, Philly Steve, but I would suggest that simply naming some names doesn't prove anything. I did not ask you to support a claim that some Conservatives are sometimes motivated by hate, I asked you to support your claim that Conservatives' sole motivation is hatred. At the same time, merely invoking the name Rafael Izquierdo does not fulfill your anticipation of Conservatives twisting themselves in knots over the affair. Or, maybe it does. Maybe that silver hammer hovering over your knee is operated by your own hand. The thread initiator's point was . . . entirely about the predictability of the opinions expressed by a certain segment of the political spectrum based solely on the Cuban-American vote in the 2008 Presidential elections. Of which opinions you have presented . . . how many? None?
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love, to respect and be kind to one another, so that we may grow with peace in mind. (Native American prayer)
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