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Bigswede, I know you will think it blaspheme, but land owners hold rights only to the extent assured and actually granted by government. Without government it is grab as grab can
So landowners are not included in the body of men saying "we the people" that allowed the federal government limited right to rule in their place?
On the contrary, most people will say that it is an absolute responsibility of the government to protect private property and rights thereof.
If you disregard (separate) landowners from we the people, yes then it would be a kind of blaspheme. In June 1776, George Mason reiterated John Locke's theory of right to property in the Virgina Deceleration of Rights. But a few days later, on July 4th, Thomas Jefferson – penning the United States Deceleration of Independence – changed Locke’s original call for “life, liberty, and property” to: “We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
This has been seen as a recognition by Jefferson that also the have-nots needed a place in the society, in the new Nation. But I have never seen any intreptations that it meant property rights should not exist in the New World.
The dreamy socialist lyrics of Woody Guthrie have political repercussions on the rights of all of us. If the American people don't crawl out of that lullaby dream it will turn America into a nightmare.
Cowardly men always plot to label Freedom as anarchy!
The main difference between those earlier civil protests and the western farmers, is that the former wanted new rights, the latter want their old rights back.
What complete and utter bullshit. The previous ones want to protect themselves from infringement of rights, while the latter want to impose their view on others. You have it exactly backwards! Bundy and his gang are not asking to be left alone, they are demanding that they be given something that is not theirs. What's more, they are using force to take it. They don't own that land, it belongs to us. Bundy was grazing on my land. His sons were invading and degrading my property.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
Still haven't heard what the "old rights back" thing is supposed to be.
No comment from bigswede on the actual charges against Bundy, either.
I'm not interested in the "majority of one" fantasies, they don't play well in the light of day.
You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete. R. Buckminster Fuller
strange but everytime anything is mentioned it is about you personally .... did you ratify the Constitution? is your name written in it somewhere? are you exempt from the law? yes you personally?
I did not presume (that is an assumption, and one you made) anything .... I noted the historical record .... land owners in general have never taken responsible custodial ownership of the land .... they strip it bare .... they denude forests .... over graze ... deplete the land .... etc ..... are you denying that is the historical record .... am I talking about you personally? only if it applies
why would you believe a lone land owner would have more information available to him than a whole bevy of scientists with expertise in land management? why did you assume they know nothing?
ignorance is the enemy without equality there is no liberty America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
The main difference between those earlier civil protests and the western farmers, is that the former wanted new rights, the latter want their old rights back.
What complete and utter bullshit. The previous ones want to protect themselves from infringement of rights, while the latter want to impose their view on others. You have it exactly backwards! Bundy and his gang are not asking to be left alone, they are demanding that they be given something that is not theirs. What's more, they are using force to take it. They don't own that land, it belongs to us. Bundy was grazing on my land. Good sons were invading and degrading my property.
The protest was in my eyes on a general issue of the rights of western farmers to keep their rights. Many of them actually work their own land. That the stand against the agencies took part on federal should not cloud the principal issue. You are trying to deal from the bottom of the deck. Your bullshit comes back to haunt you!
Cowardly men always plot to label Freedom as anarchy!
You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete. R. Buckminster Fuller
strange but everytime anything is mentioned it is about you personally .... did you ratify the Constitution? is your name written in it somewhere? are you exempt from the law? yes you personally?
I did not presume (that is an assumption, and one you made) anything .... I noted the historical record .... land owners in general have never taken responsible custodial ownership of the land .... they strip it bare .... they denude forests .... over graze ... deplete the land .... etc ..... are you denying that is the historical record .... am I talking about you personally? only if it applies
why would you believe a lone land owner would have more information available to him than a whole bevy of scientists with expertise in land management? why did you assume they know nothing?
What a false ascribing of views you try to tarnish me with! In every paragraph of your comment you manage to lie about me. What's more, you also refute common understanding of the virtues of private ownership. The so called experts knows nothing that the active landowner actually working his own patch of land doesn't understand infinitely better. If your views are gaining popularity with the American people, America is going down the sh*thole, that's for sure
Cowardly men always plot to label Freedom as anarchy!
