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Considering all the lies and made up "scandals" the Republicans endlessly told about the Obama administration, he's actually been a pretty good President. They've been doing the same thing to Hillary for quite a long time, so even some Democrats have started to believe some of them.
But you know what? She will also be a pretty good President, when we look back 9 years from now.
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never underestimate the ignorance of American voters
ignorance is the enemy without equality there is no liberty America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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a strange election
i suppose many liberals would look at Mr Trump and say, he is a cretin, etc and immediately dismiss the possibility he could be elected
I may agree with them but I do not dismiss the possibility
I suspect the ignorance of the American electorate is YUUUUUUGE
ignorance is the enemy without equality there is no liberty America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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...the ignorance of the American electorate is YUUUUUUGE That, and the fact that many Americans simply do not like the Clintons.
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The unfortunate part of this election is that the Democrats have disinterred an army of Clinton skeletons that will haunt the campaign until November. However, Mr. Drumpf has many more and when the gloves come off, and they will in short order, with his thin skin he'll be a much bigger asshat than he already is. I think the probability of a Drumpf victory is in the less than one hundredth of a percent. I still have doubts that he will actually be the nominee no matter how much the 'idiocracy' wants him.
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them." Lenny Bruce
"The cleverest of all, in my opinion, is the man who calls himself a fool at least once a month." Dostoevsky
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Plus, at this point ( late May ) in 2012, Romney was ahead of Obama in the polls. Piffle, I say to all of this early polling.
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Jeffrey; The media is, unfortunately, the same our elected, our gov, corporations (of all stripes), and political parties. The similarity is pretty simple. They are ALL obsessed with themselves/itself to the exclusion of just about anything else. Some of that is probably normal - what we are getting now is NOT normal, nor healthy (I think). One example might be in order. When Trump starting really running his mouth, on TV, those in charge of TV found that they could get up to 4 times the income from a show with Trump as he entertained. As a result Trump got, we are told, up to 2 billion dollars of free exposure. In other words the greed and irresponsibility, of TV management, is actually responsible for Trump's success. I wonder, does anybody else remembers the good old days when TV had to adhere to the concept of equal time programming. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-time_rulehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine
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Considering all the lies and made up "scandals" the Republicans endlessly told about the Obama administration, he's actually been a pretty good President. They've been doing the same thing to Hillary for quite a long time, so even some Democrats have started to believe some of them.
But you know what? She will also be a pretty good President, when we look back 9 years from now. I agree -- apart from all the wars, mayhem and murder she will have supported. .
Once, weapons were manufactured to fight wars; today, wars are manufactured to sell weapons
It is far easier to deceive folks than to convince them they are deceived
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For me, Trump (and to some extent, the Republican party) is an existential threat to the United States, and Hillary Clinton is more about the status quo. In that regard, I am conservative.
Trump is out of control, and represents the worst instincts of the American populace. A truly considered view of his candidacy should produce horror, much like the atomic bomb. He represents crudity, greed, and the oligarchy more than any candidate ever, yet pretends to be a "populist". It is ridiculous.
But, you're right that Trump is the product of the tastelessness of television, and really launched the "reality TV" morass we are saddled with. It became all about money, and quality went out the window. Trump really represents the worst elements of American culture of the last 50 years - the "me" generation, the greed generation, the modern Robber Barons, and the rude generation. If he is truly what we've become, we are doomed.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Gentlemen - please define pretty good??? If you mean better than Trump the bar is way too low. I think she'll be worse than Obama - in other words, not so good.
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them." Lenny Bruce
"The cleverest of all, in my opinion, is the man who calls himself a fool at least once a month." Dostoevsky
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