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Gee I'll bet all those losers in the Civil Rights, Workers Rights, Women's Rights, Gay Rights, etc. movements are so sorry that you hadn't told them this before they started. Then they could have just waited for things to happen instead of making them happen.
And those soldiers who died in WWII could have stayed home, while millions were fried, and waited until they voted Hitler out of office.
Ah yes, it is the losers who create change. Interesting...

True. But the gains in these areas have come about slowly, with fits and starts, incrementally you might say. Dreamers provide the impetus, policy wonks get the job done. Society doesn't always go along.
If Bernie Sanders commitment to peace is as great as some would have me believe, then the US would never have entered into WWII. Hitler was a dreamer too.

These movements achieved gains by CONSTANT POLITICAL PRESSURE as well as the blood, sweat and tears (and death) of the people who fought for them. Parts of any society will ALWAYS be opposed to change. Not sure how you're defining slowly but without disruption and protest nothing happens.
As for WWII, I have NEVER met a pacifist who was against it. There was a real threat and there were millions dying. The need for military intervention was evident to all. So I don't think Bernie, or any person with a conscience, would have sat that one out.
Bernie is not a dreamer. He is a realist. He wants to salvage what is left of this country.
Johnson was a hard nosed politician but he knew that the civil rights bill was a political necessity, while all of his fellow southerners were telling him to take it slow. He lost the Dixiecrats in then process but, he made it happen,
Lincoln too, a hard nosed politician. Ending slavery (aside from the moral imperative) was an economic necessity. Half the country went to war over that.
So, in fact, only those who have the courage to make things happen achieve anything.
As for Hitler, he too (as evil as he was) made things happen. He didn't sit around in a bar talking about how great it would be to conquer the world.
Ms. Clinton will walk this country backward, in my opinion. I really hope I'm wrong about that, but I don't believe I am.

Yes, but nonetheless America was deeply reluctant to enter into that war. We had been embroiled in the Great Depression and had lost over 100,000 soldiers not too many years before in WWI.
FDR wanted to intercede on behalf of Great Britain but Hitler's conquest of Europe wasn't enough to draw us in. It wasn't Hitler but Japanese Emperor Hirohito's bombing of Pearl Harbor that did the trick.
Oh, Please. Bernie's Platform is based on three things. Breaking up the big banks. Free college education for all. And Single payer healthcare. He has done nothing for Women, Blacks, Hispanics, or the LGBTQ community. The very people whose blood sweat and tears you cite he has basically ignored. Bernie's appeal is mostly to intellectual white people, and Rick. It is Bernie who will walk the country backward because everything he wants involves massive tax increases and the redistribution of wealth(downward as oppose to our current situation). You can believe this or not, but calling for massive tax increases, despite his lofty goals(dreams?) would be political suicide. I don't even need to get out my cracked crystal ball to tell you that he would be a single term president and would be defeated in 2020 by a Republican.

You're joking, right? If that's what you think Bernie's platform is you're on crack.
The only thing you'll get with Clinton is more Wall Street, more concentration of wealth and more mass imprisonment of minorities. A couple more wars to boot. Nation building. Yeah, all those good things you so love.
If you don't raise taxes on the rich then you're a republican. If you believe in trickle down you're an idiot.
If you think you can ignore the environment then you're really stupid.
If you think the only way to help minorities is by jailing them, and then trying to be nice as you take any chance they ever had of economic advancement and pass it on to the corporations, well, I have no words for someone who thinks that.
The only thing that will help the majority, I.e. 99% of the population, (which, of course, includes large portions of the so-called minorities) is economic and social justice. If you think that's a dream then you've got some issues that are, as yet, unidentified.

Rick libel!

It takes intelligence to write snark this good.

I don't recall ever saying I was in favor of any of those things.
But that is pretty much the beliefs of half the country and the majority in Congress, and that is exactly what the next president, just like the current president, will be dealing with.
I don't think we've ever had to suffer through a period of economic and social justice in this country, many have dreamed of it, none have made it come to pass. Instead, the war must be fought on a thousand fronts with a Congress that is determined to make any Democratic president fail and they don't give a rat's ass if the country goes straight to hell and the entire world economy is destroyed as they do it. This is our reality. I don't like it any more than you do but sweeping changes simply aren't in the cards. Genuine economic and social justice may have never existed in the entire history of mankind and Bernie is not liable to deliver them to us in the next four years. The reality is that he will pound his head against a wall of dissent trying to get it to break while a politician like Clinton will scratch and scrabble at it in a thousand different ways and places to weaken it. His method would get him a bloodied head, hers will make gains.
The art of the possible, y'know?

I wondered how long it would take you to pick up on that
I'm genuinely sorry for making a joke at your expense but sometimes I just can't help myself.

Nanoseconds. Not bad for a dumbfvck.

So, given polls showing Bernie beating Trump by wide-margins, and Hillary even with Trump and possibly losing to him - how is it that Hillary has any support?