Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Politics In General Senator Craig’s Innocence

Will:


That was some very good writing! Yours? Very professional. Are you in a field of analysis or social work?

Money quote:
Addicts can't help it, can they? Admitting the addiction is inevitably the first step to seeking successful management, and so must be avoided at any cost.

Why? why is the expectation of one person sufficient to incur criminal penalties on another? Seems to favor one person's expectations over another's and I don't seem to find that in either the US nor any state constitution.


Again, I see no reason to criminalize solicitation, wanted or unwanted, at least of any adult. I am not a fan of the current predeliction to try to sanitize life for children, but don't want to go off on that tangent so will give you the power to protect children from sexual solicitation.

Actual sexual activity, if in the presence of a person other than a police officer stationed there solely to observe the activity provides a more solid basis for criminal penalties, but just tapping one's feet and motiioning with hands should never be criminal.


I agree and this is what I have been saying all along. However, the recognition of sexual addiction as a phenomenon would roil the thinking of many Americans if the resistence to it even among 12 step groups is an indication.

Do any of you that say "no harm" have any young sons? I do. Ages 9, 13 and 14.

No big deal?

A foot-tapping ritual was a common thread in many of the 41 arrests reported during a four-month airport bathroom sting that snagged Craig. This is a FACT.

Obviously, if there were over 10 arrests a month in this restroom for the SAME lewd behavior, there is a good chance that on of my three young sons could have encounted a sex act while in there or even been targeted (my oldest is over 6 ft tall, yet barely 14).

I cannot say this hurts no one. I agree the crimes of this administration run deep and wide. But, IMO no one should be so quick to say this has been no big thing.

It is to me, and he/they get what they deserve..

~em

Its pretty strange. Those who like this guy, and are chary about giving up on him, seem to find all sorts of reasons for continued support. Most of these go something like; "It was a lousy bust, being gay is not a crime, and even if true, has little to do with being a senator". This isn't only strange but really goes far to explain why this country is so screwed up. This was a Praise the Lord Republican Senator with a LOT of seniority. He got elected, time after time, by claiming the moral high ground. Then he got caught. The point, I think, is that he is a liar, a hypocrite, and, obviously, has no integrity at all. What makes it all so amazing is that the supporters are the same people who were absolutely lied to and yet continue their support.

My own, very personal thought, is that those who would still support this guy gotta take a serious reality check, figure it out, get REALLY pissed off, and start working on a reasonable approach to critical thinking. If they do not then they represent a serious threat to the nation as this kind of behavior can only be considered to be self defeating and maybe even dangerous. On the face of it these folks seem to have extended their unconditional 'faith' in God to a failed politician! Almost makes one wonder if universal sufferage really is the right way to go. Too bad there is not some kind of test for common sense. On the other hand true believers take a back seat to no one when it comes to thought processes involved in 'tortured justification'.

That's why I thought what Will Write wrote was right.

Tongue twister, that.

But I think he hit on the non-partisan truth, jgw. Just as it was with Clinton, when it was the apologists on the other side of the aisle who were saying "It was a lousy bust, getting a blow job is not a crime, and even if true, has little to do with being President."

But lying about it was a terrible mistake. I wouldn't even go so far as to say a "crime", just as I don't think Craig's lie is a "crime".

Difference here, though, is that while Clinton apologists abounded, I can't seem to find many, or even any, Craig apologists. Who are you referring to as the "supporters" who are "the same people who were lied to"? I'm quite surprised (shocked, amazed, delighted) that the usual Republican Noise Machine has been either silent or critical in this matter. What has Rush had to say about it? Or O'Reilly? Or "Edwards is a faggot" Coulter?

In all fairness, I have found two feeble rebuttals, one on Fakes News (Was the [i]Idaho Statesman[/i] investigation sexually justified?) and one at the American Prospect blog "Tapped" (What's With These Straight Guys?). But the prize goes to NutsMax, where they weave the tale of Craig's "arrogance" into a recounting of the misdeeds of . . . Ted and Patrick Kennedy! And the punch line is Cynthia McKinney! Don't miss it!

You're right, Phil. No Democrat would ever, ever use homosexuality against a Republican opponent..... Bhwahahahahahaha!!!!!!! Too much ambiguity?
Yours,
Issodhos

If Craig is guilty of anything it would be the overt hypocrisy of his and other "moral republicans" stance on the gay lifestyle. They can cast as many stones as they like, but when those same stones boomerang into their politically fragile glass houses, then they quickly realize that even their own party is more then willing to eat their own or cast them to the sharks...which ever is more convenient. The "republican moralists" have a very difficult time with the duplicity of their stated positions: on one hand they seem to secretly accept gays among their ranks as long as they remain silent about their sexuality, but when it becomes a public issue they are ready to lift the stake, heap the bundles of "fags" upon it and chain their own to it to let them burn. Living in hypocrisy is an impossible stance both politically or ethically and until the "republican moralists" denounce their "high and holy" positions for rational thought then they will continue to fall prey to the short-coming of their own humanity.

If he is guilty of anything else, I would say that stupidity would sum it up.

I am in total agreement with you Phil!

Right on time.:-) As I wrote, ""Who us? Why we are only 'morally' offended by his hypocrisy."
Yours,
Issodhos

And of course there is more than a little irony that Senator Craig was just the sort of person who would be working to pass exactly these sorts of laws.