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Conversely, Bill Kristol type "conservatives" say just let Hillary win and they'll get someone better in four years.

Not if they're typical, most of their salary would go to paying rent.

While SCOTUS nominations are important, after Ms. Clinton's choice of economic advisors I wonder... (Not comparing to Trump because he will not be nominating anyone)
He may very well be incarcerated before the election. He doesn't have the chutzpah for a real election.

It's very unfortunate who we will have to choose from in November. We only get to choose those who step up to the plate, and the populace votes for...

We're basically screwed either way whomever gets into office in given today's current hypothetical. Having said that, we'll be slightly better off with Hillary - but our country is screwed either way with Trump or Hillary, to be honest.

Somehow, I think you will change your tune after a couple of years of Hillary as President, versus Trump. They are completely different people, no matter how much you dislike Hillary. Trump would be a disaster on many fronts. Hillary will not.

I don't dislike Hillary, it's just the crap that follows her around and the decisions which she made, I don't agree with, and this crap is mostly of her own doing. I also fear that she'll govern closely to how her husband governed. Yes, I was around and I voted for Bill, but I didn't really pay attention to what he was doing - except for how it affected me, personally, being gay. That's really the only thing that I cared about back then. In hindsight, I learned this of Bill Clinton's tenure in office:

• NAFTA
  
• The Repeal of Glass-Steagall
  
• Bill Clinton championed laws denying federal financial aid to "drug offenders" for college.
  
• Bill Clinton championed laws banning people with criminal convictions from access to public housing.
  
• Bill Clinton championed laws denying food stamps under federal law, to people who were once caught with drugs.

To me, this was all Republican-lite. I don't want that for President. Obama has moved us to the left, I'd like that progression to continue and I fear that Hillary will be regressive and she'll be too easy on Wall Street and get us into more wars.

At the end of the day come this November, when I check Hillary's name, I won't be voting FOR Hillary, I'll be voting AGAINST Donald Trump. It will be a lessor of two evils vote, in my humble opinion.

How I really want the country to be governed, probably won't happen, sadly.

Actually I won't be disappointed because I don't expect miracles. What half of the country wants can change if the economic landscape changes. When they hurt in their pockets then they'll start to look for alternatives.
As for corruption: It happens everywhere when there are large amounts of money involved. Socialism can't eradicate it anymore than Sharia Law can. However, you are incorrect in thinking that Socialism is more prone to corruption than social democracy. The difference is only in the orders of magnitude (usually higher in social democracy).
I have lived in very poor socialist countries. The problems are myriad, but there is a willingness to try and overcome them - whereas in social democracy they just look to blame some group.
Under capitalism, of course, they reward corruption - while making it seem like they are promoting free enterprise.
There is no panacea. But anything is better than moving backwards.

And???? What are we to understand, that all the sheep should follow the leader into the slaughterhouse? That there shouldn't be dissent? Seems to me the writer of this piece thinks that the Dems will rally behind Clinton eventually, so your point is? A candidate who the arrogant Clintons had written off is giving them a run for their money (as it should be in any democracy)? They tried a similar tack with Obama in 2008 until the momentum overtook them.
There is no doubt that Bernie's candidacy - especially through the vehicle of the Democratic Party, thus assuring that there is no loss of support if he loses the nomination - is the first breath of fresh air that the Dems have had since 2008. They should thank him for possibly bringing more people into the fold. In spite of Wasserman Shultz.

Welcome to reality. Even if Bernie were elected the country still wouldn't be governed the way you want it. But if Trump were elected it would be governed like you really don't want it to be governed.
When the president clocks in for his/her four year shift he/she is handed a veto pen, a bully pulpit, a few supreme court nominations, and a million chances to make the wrong decision after not nearly enough sleep. In the balance lies world peace, human rights, climate change issues, the economy, and the day to day operation of the Federal Government.
We already know that Donald Trump would throw away the veto pen, select supreme court justices who use that pocket version of the Constitution, and give Republicans and the TEA Party free reign while they turn the entire country into Kansas. All while sleeping soundly and making more wrong decisions than George W. Bush.
Obamacare would go out the window, Dodd-Frank would go out with it.
Social Security would be slashed, deficits and the national debt would soar, the economy would likely collapse, LBGTQ rights would disappear, Rowe Wade would be overturned, taxes slashed for the wealthy. Immigrants would be faced with unspeakable indignities, police forces become more militarized and more unarmed black children would be gunned down in the streets. Veterans would be ignored while the military budget became even more bloated and we'd have boots on the ground in a dozen shytepot countries and flag covered caskets rolling in by the dozens. Trump not only doesn't believe in climate change, he doesn't even think there's a drought in California.
In a nutshell, America would be great again.
So, when you ponder the depredations that would invariably occur under a Trump administration perhaps you'll breath a little easier and not have to hold your nose while voting for Hillary.