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Conversely, Bill Kristol type "conservatives" say just let Hillary win and they'll get someone better in four years.

Not if they're typical, most of their salary would go to paying rent.

Somehow, I think you will change your tune after a couple of years of Hillary as President, versus Trump. They are completely different people, no matter how much you dislike Hillary. Trump would be a disaster on many fronts. Hillary will not.

Welcome to reality. Even if Bernie were elected the country still wouldn't be governed the way you want it. But if Trump were elected it would be governed like you really don't want it to be governed.
When the president clocks in for his/her four year shift he/she is handed a veto pen, a bully pulpit, a few supreme court nominations, and a million chances to make the wrong decision after not nearly enough sleep. In the balance lies world peace, human rights, climate change issues, the economy, and the day to day operation of the Federal Government.
We already know that Donald Trump would throw away the veto pen, select supreme court justices who use that pocket version of the Constitution, and give Republicans and the TEA Party free reign while they turn the entire country into Kansas. All while sleeping soundly and making more wrong decisions than George W. Bush.
Obamacare would go out the window, Dodd-Frank would go out with it.
Social Security would be slashed, deficits and the national debt would soar, the economy would likely collapse, LBGTQ rights would disappear, Rowe Wade would be overturned, taxes slashed for the wealthy. Immigrants would be faced with unspeakable indignities, police forces become more militarized and more unarmed black children would be gunned down in the streets. Veterans would be ignored while the military budget became even more bloated and we'd have boots on the ground in a dozen shytepot countries and flag covered caskets rolling in by the dozens. Trump not only doesn't believe in climate change, he doesn't even think there's a drought in California.
In a nutshell, America would be great again.
So, when you ponder the depredations that would invariably occur under a Trump administration perhaps you'll breath a little easier and not have to hold your nose while voting for Hillary.

I dunno bout chew mang, but most of my fellow students were either commuting from home or living with a minimum of three roommates, maybe four.

Rent ain't too high when you have three other roomies helping out, mang.

Welcome to reality. Even if Bernie were elected the country still wouldn't be governed the way you want it. But if Trump were elected it would be governed like you really don't want it to be governed.
When the president clocks in for his/her four year shift he/she is handed a veto pen, a bully pulpit, a few supreme court nominations, and a million chances to make the wrong decision after not nearly enough sleep. In the balance lies world peace, human rights, climate change issues, the economy, and the day to day operation of the Federal Government.
We already know that Donald Trump would throw away the veto pen, select supreme court justices who use that pocket version of the Constitution, and give Republicans and the TEA Party free reign while they turn the entire country into Kansas. All while sleeping soundly and making more wrong decisions than George W. Bush.
Obamacare would go out the window, Dodd-Frank would go out with it.
Social Security would be slashed, deficits and the national debt would soar, the economy would likely collapse, LBGTQ rights would disappear, Rowe Wade would be overturned, taxes slashed for the wealthy. Immigrants would be faced with unspeakable indignities, police forces become more militarized and more unarmed black children would be gunned down in the streets. Veterans would be ignored while the military budget became even more bloated and we'd have boots on the ground in a dozen shytepot countries and flag covered caskets rolling in by the dozens. Trump not only doesn't believe in climate change, he doesn't even think there's a drought in California.
In a nutshell, America would be great again.
So, when you ponder the depredations that would invariably occur under a Trump administration perhaps you'll breath a little easier and not have to hold your nose while voting for Hillary.

I have no problem voting for Hillary Clinton. The only people who believe she is "retrograde" are those who are too far left to recognize the difference between Mao and Mussolini. She has always been much more liberal than her husband. Being liberal, however, does not mean marching lockstep with every progressive wet dream. I'm very progressive. I'm also very pragmatic and very idealistic. You can throw out all the invective you want, that doesn't make it any more "real" than anything that Trump spews. Hillary Clinton is now a seasoned politician. Much as I like Bernie Sanders, he is not. Not is he ever likely to be.

We're on the verge, I believe, of a significant (and hopefully permanent) political shift to the left. This is at least generational. Do I want seriously progressive policies? Oh yeah! Do I agree with Sanders on many issues/principles? Certainly. What is missed is, so does Hillary Clinton.