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Well, if it is a ploy it certainly is a nasty prank. The Republican Party has been a coalition of several disparate groups for many years. This breaks up the delicate balance and pretty much destroys the party.

On the other hand, maybe it is better this way. I'm sure the Evangelicals really got tired of waiting for the Economic Republicans to do anything much about abortion. Likewise the "bamboozled working class" Republicans unsatisfied with the Chamber of Commerce Republicans dragging their feet on immigration because of their addiction to cheap Mexican labor.

A lot of my Dem friends are freaking out about Bernie still being in the race. "He's handing the race to Trump." "He's dividing the Dem Party."

To which I say: Let the democratic process work. Trump will NEVER be President.

Looks like he's going to do pretty well in CA.

Oh yeah...he'll clean-up there. He does really well with western state New Democrat Hippies.

It's not just an "addiction". For the agricultural industry it is an economic necessity and it's the reason we need immigration reform. There are jobs that Americans simply won't do. That isn't to say that the current system hasn't been abused by that industry and others but that there is room in our economy for migrant workers and there is room for them and their children to become American citizens if they so desire. Many don't. They want only to follow the harvests, work their asses off, then return to Mexico flush with cash for a few months of relative leisure with their families before doing it all over again.
Those who screech loudest at the thought of "illegals" stealing our jobs would screech even louder if the cost of an agricultural living wage were tacked on to their grocery bill. Not to mention that crops would rot in the fields and that farmers would go broke because there is no one else available at harvest time to bring the crops in. There was a time in our history, possibly back when America Used To Be Great, when craftsmen, tradesmen, women, and children put down their tools and set aside everything else to work in the fields until the harvest was in. Those days are gone and will never return.
We need our brown brothers and sisters from South of the Border to take up the slack. When Katrina ravaged New Orleans, who do you think came to clean up the mess and rebuild the city? One candidate would build a wall to keep them out. One party refuses to accept this influx of relatively cheap labor, when and where it's needed, is an economic necessity.

There is a chance he may win in California. But along with those Western State Neo Democrats are a shyte ton of Hispanics, blacks, and old school Democrats who like Hillary better. There's also a shyte ton of fools who registered with the American Independent Party because they were just too prissy to admit that, yes, they are fekking Democrats, and were too blinded by their ideological purity to bother to read and understand how the Democratic Party chooses candidates.
So, yes, he may win, but it will be by a tiny margin and he won't gain enough delegates to make a difference in the end.

Gonna WIN IT BIG! I'm gonna say six points.

Oh that's right. Never mind. But wait!! Hillary hasn't won ANY western state. Not one.

We also know that grocery bill canard isn't true - marginal mark-up at best. What's next, traipsing the pooping in the fields canard and e. coli outbreaks?

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, needing their labor. I'm just saying it IS a bad thing to want workers who you can have deported if they give you any trouble. (EG. Wanting their paychecks.) I would like to see a program in which the only "illegals" here are the real criminals who come here because we are richer than the victims in Mexico. The vast majority of migrants would be here with temporary work visas.

The polls of likely voters may say that, but the logistics of independents voting for Sanders on election day will wipe that out. We have a LOT of non-affiliated voters in California.

The latest voter registration figures:
44.82% Democrat
27.29% Republican
2.55% American Independent
0.43% Green
0.64% Libertarian
0.40% Peace & Freedom
0.55% Other
23.32% non-affiliated

The Democrats let non-affiliated voters vote in their primary, but they have to ask for a Democratic ballot. They do NOT let those registered for any other party vote in it. But the real problem is that 64.9% of the ballots in the last primary were cast by mail. If you want to get a Democratic primary ballot by mail, you had to do that some number of weeks ago. You can't just wait until this week to open your mail ballot and still have time to do that.

Even if that 23.32% of voters all show up at the polls and ask for Democratic ballots, are they going to have that many spare ballots at each polling place?

So I think you have to apply a pretty big discount to the number of non-affiliated and non-Democratic Party voters who intended to vote for Sanders. And I bet those people who are Democratic Party registered heavily favor the actual Democratic in the race.

Wages for crop picking duties is at or near the lowest overall costs to agricultural production.
Always has been, always will be even IF it is ramped up to living wage levels.
The markup on the typical head of lettuce might be forty cents max.