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Acolyte: a person assisting the celebrant in a religious service or processionSynonyms: minion, underling, lackey, henchman So I guess it is fair to say that you are a Hillary acolyte? 
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I don't use it as a pejorative, but it is a subset of "true believers". I don't think that is hyperbolic at all.
And, as much as I like Sanders and his message, he's not a true "leader." He wants to be, and he now has "followers" who believe in the same things he does. What he needs, though, is to give them direction. That is what a leader does. I subscribe to the principle of leadership as "a process of social influence in which a person can enlist the aid and support of others in the accomplishment of a common task".
Right now he is just a spokesman for a nascent movement. He's identified goals, but has not developed a plan to get there. That is what he has often been criticized for. Leadership is what gets things done. Pray tell, dear fellow, how does one become a leader?
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That's exactly what I meant about narrowing down the definition of "leader". I don't see the need for that.
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On another blog that I frequent, prior to nearly everyone in the GOP realizing this week, that The Donald truly is a racist dumbass, the conservative-leaning bloggers LOVED to discuss politics. Now that most of the talk from The Left is about what a dumbass racist bigot The Donald is, the conservatives would prefer that political talk remain little to none.
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... the NY Times, while congratulating her on the win (and endorsing her) has said in editorial that she if she wants to be accepted by the Sanders supporters she must be more open about the questions regarding her relationship with Wall Street, etc. I would really, really like that, but I have a bad feeling that leopard Hillary won't be changing her spots. 
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Another prediction: Republicans will pressure Trump to pick a woman running mate (Nikki Haley?) to blunt Clinton's historic significance and to counter Trump's misogynistic tendencies. Literally putting lipstick on an elephant. Are you kidding me?!? Nikki Haley HATES Trump - nearly as much as confirmed bachelor gentleman senator from South Carolina, Dame Lindsey Graham, who suggested that if you love America, you will vote for Hillary. Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, another former primary rival of Mr. Trump’s, urged Republicans who have backed Mr. Trump to rescind their endorsements, citing the remarks about Judge Curiel and Mr. Trump’s expression of doubt on Sunday that a Muslim judge could remain neutral in the same lawsuit, given Mr. Trump’s proposed ban on Muslim noncitizens entering the country.
This is the most un-American thing from a politiciansince Joe McCarthy,” Mr. Graham said. “If anybody was looking for an off-ramp, this is probably it,” he added. “There’ll come a time when the love of country will trump hatred of Hillary.”
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A few points:
1) Nikki Haley I put out just as an example of the type of candidate the party apparatchiks would want, not that she would do it.
2) "Leader" I defined. Log got it, even if he disagreed. I will be suitably impressed if Sanders concedes gracefully and forcefully, as Clinton did in 2008, and Gore did in 2000. He can show leadership by how he shapes the agenda.
3) Hillary supporter, not acolyte. I support her candidacy, as I did Sanders', because of her positions on issues. I also acknowledge her experience and her character. You may denigrate that, but she has incredible fortitude to keep with it this long. Plus, she's a woman, and equality talk is cheap. Equality in action is more important to me. I've never said she was my favorite, but she's won the popular vote, the majority of delegates and the majority of State contests, 32-23.
Finally, I'm sick of carping about "rigged system." She won by every measure. THAT is how democracy works.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Reason I asked is because I think what Bernie is doing is the actual path to credible leadership - that is, someone who emanates trust.
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Reason I asked is because I think what Bernie is doing is the actual path to credible leadership - that is, someone who emanates trust. As I said in the break room at work last night while we all watched another "historic moment" in American politics - Bernie is the only candidate of the three of them still running that truly would help the middle class. Us middle-class'ers just lost our only advocate.
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It seems that "those in the know" are betting on Julian Castro as her Veep pick. One thing for sure: it would be a firm slap in the face to Mr. Drumpf.
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them."
Lenny Bruce
"The cleverest of all, in my opinion, is the man who calls himself a fool at least once a month."
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