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Pretty much all of the "Hillary Scandals" are just made up crap. You keep telling a lie enough times, some people start to believe it.
About the only real scandal wasn't even hers.
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If you want 2+ years of scandals, elect Trump. I say "2+" because it takes awhile to complete an impeachment. His entire life has been a scandal.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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NW_P, Trump supporters are the very same demographic as the TParty - the very same folks. Seriously.
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NW_P, Trump supporters are the very same demographic as the TParty - the very same folks. Seriously. No surprise there, Rick. It takes a moron to support a moron. They understand each other perfectly. I still think there's going to be a coup at the 11th hour. Should be fun.
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them." Lenny Bruce
"The cleverest of all, in my opinion, is the man who calls himself a fool at least once a month." Dostoevsky
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As a person who has been on conservative boards and listened to conservative talk shows, I can tell you this:
Although Trump has his share of supporters who are cultists and extremists, many are also people who I admire and respect.
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Not sure how that is possible. He is a bigoted idiot, a bully, a fool, a crook and a fascist. I have yet to meet anyone who supports those qualities that is worthy of admiration or respect.
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"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them." Lenny Bruce
"The cleverest of all, in my opinion, is the man who calls himself a fool at least once a month." Dostoevsky
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I suspect there are quite a few supporting him because he is the Party's man and they really know little about him other than his self-promotion. If that's all you have heard, then he sounds pretty good. At least he's very enthusiastic about the whole thing.
For example, I keep hearing that we need a successful businessman to run the country (which of course is nonsense), but it tells me they have no idea what a lousy businessman he is.
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Many a totalitarian regime started and lives on because of that idea of the party man and low information or misinformation or no information.That is not an excuse. If you asked anyone of these folks if they would give their money away to a stranger on the street I doubt you'd have many so generous. Yet they will do that with their future and that of generations to come. That is not hyperbole, that is the truth behind the sham that is the two party system corrupted by money. Welcome to the future.
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them." Lenny Bruce
"The cleverest of all, in my opinion, is the man who calls himself a fool at least once a month." Dostoevsky
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I am far more cynical than I appear here, but ultimately, am an optimist. I am sometimes flabbergasted by just how shallow voters are - even though history shows me better. Trump is such an obvious, and really not-very-good, flim-flam man, yet 30%+ of the populace "support him" - and he has better "trustworthy" numbers than Clinton! Yes, there is approximately 40% of the voters who will vote for any candidate with an "R" next to his name, but if even a portion of his 30ish percent comes from the non-died-in-the-wool partisans, that puts him over 40%, and that reality is sobering. More than 40% of the population willing to vote for someone who is, by far, the least qualified candidate in my lifetime.
I am encouraged, but not very much, that so many Republican leaders are not supporting him. That should be sending a message to the voters. But, are they receiving? Will they, like the Brexit voters of the UK wake up in the morning and say, "OMG, What have I done!" As John Oliver pointed out, there are no do-overs.
Yes, Hillary Clinton has her faults, and yes, the political system is corrupt, but really... given what is available, is there even a choice in this election? Donald Trump is far too dangerous to let anywhere near any elected office, much less the most powerful position in the country (and maybe the world). The list of potential disasters is incomprehensible - the economy, the environment, civil rights, immigration, the courts.... I wouldn't leave him alone near my children, or near a loaded gun, why would I let him near any real power?
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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I keep wondering (hoping) when they are going to slap the cuffs on him.
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them." Lenny Bruce
"The cleverest of all, in my opinion, is the man who calls himself a fool at least once a month." Dostoevsky
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