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Good point! Yeah, it is probably easier to elect a gay, ethnic minority president (providing she/he spewed some religious claptrap) than it would be to elect an atheist. While Marx is famously quoted at writing: "Religion is the opiate of the masses" I would alter that and say that religion is the cancer of the masses. It eats away at any hope of inclusiveness, and of course, it is a fantastic weapon in the hands of tyrants and other assorted exploiters. It creates wars and keeps people from seeing their true enemy: a system that keeps them in the condition of a permanent underclass.
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A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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I think that the Clinton campaign has reached its low point of support during this election and that she will see a steady increase in support of about 1% per month, winning the election by about 10% points in the popular and a landslide in the electoral college (between 312 and 342 - picked 323). Watch this space. Or, you can play at home: interactive map by CNN. Here's my thinking: The general polling is nearly worthless, but Clinton has maintained a lead throughout of about 5%. In battleground States, her lead has been generally larger. After the conventions, the ground game will begin to take hold, and Clinton's advantage is significant. Trump will get some more Republican support, but it will not help substantially. I think ALL of the battleground States favor Clinton, and Arizona and Utah are in play as well.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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From the way some of the shills for Hillz were trumpeting about in the media you would have thought he was going to endorse Trump  Sarcasm aside, her campaign will gain momentum with the help of the progressive wing. The addition to the platform of a few items from the progressive agenda makes it slightly better. But this whole "it's the most progressive agenda ever" is misleading, the platform before Sanders could have been drafted by Reagan. So yes, it is an improvement, but it is still far from where it needs to be in order to truly move the country in a progressive direction. And of course, it is just words on paper. It isn't binding. Which can cut both ways. Alas, we shall see 
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it is just words on paper Quite true: It binds nobody, and if she doesn't have a Congress to pass any of it, she is very limited in what she can do. And the make up of the Congress falls directly on the voters, not the President. Except she can nominate Supreme Court Justices that might undo some of the gerrymandering that keeps the House so Republican. But that is a long-term project, not a revolution.
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Actually, I think as leader of the Party - President - she can influence the outcome of the local elections. She can put forward a platform that will motivate the electorate to vote for the Dems. If the people that came out to support Bernie feel they have a chance at having their voices heard they just might make a difference. The Supreme Court appointments are important, and again, as long as she can get progressive Justices in the Court that might help swing the balance.
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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Now we are shedding and dumping all of the fair weather friends, they can all go vote for Jill Chemtrails if they want, and then go back to sleep for 3.5 years. 75% OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE right this minute promising to vote for Jill Stein and abandoning Bernie Sanders will become HARD CORE NEOCONS in five years or less after they hit the wall, and they will run around trying to convince their new conservative friends that ALL LIBERALS THINK THE WAY THEY USED TO THINK. Jill Stein does HAVE her faithful supporters to be sure, but I am talking about the ones who are ready to jump ship and climb aboard her bandwagon right this minute, today, July 12, 2016. Give them a couple more failed HARDCORE socialist elections where they barely register a blip on the radar and they will throw the whole thing out the window and turn Republican or worse, Republicans for Jesus.
If you trusted Bernie's leadership as a candidate, you should continue to trust it now. I often wonder what the world would have been like if we had gotten eight years of HHH as president instead of Dick Nixon. I don't know, but I lived through him and then had to live through eight years of Reagan, and then Bush and then Bush, Jr. NONE OF WHICH probably would have become President had it not been for Nixon.
And now some are even saying that they would rather see Trump win, just to teach us all a lesson.
When people say they'd rather see Trump win rather than vote for Hillary, what I hear is, "I can survive a Trump presidency and screw those who can't." If that is what you think, you're basically telling ME, and my wife, and our two kids (one gravely ill) that we can go f*** ourselves.
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Except she can nominate Supreme Court Justices that might undo some of the gerrymandering that keeps the House so Republican. But that is a long-term project, not a revolution. The damage done by the Scalia Court has been very long term, and profound.
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Jeff - you make it sound as if Trump actually had a chance to win??? If - and that's a big if - he is actually nominated it is the greatest gift they could give the Dems.
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If you actually want Hillary to accomplish anything, you can't just go to sleep for another 3.5 years: You have to come out and vote for Democratic Senators and Representatives in 2018.
And look at all the Republican Governors who have screwed with the Medicaid expansion! How would you like being too rich to get Medicaid and too poor to get ACA coverage. That is directly these Governor's doing that, and they are killing people.
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