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Imagine Paris during the Revolution? I won't have anything left to lose. And that, Jeffery, is my point. Until conservatives have nothing left to lose and no one to blame it on but themselves, they will remain on the wrong side of history. But, as the world goes down in flames, progressives will know in their hearts that they did not vote for the lesser of two evils.
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Noam has nailed it (as usual). He has put into clear, cogent words why I am voting for Hillary. 1) Voting should not be viewed as a form of personal self-expression or moral judgement directed in retaliation towards major party candidates who fail to reflect our values, or of a corrupt system designed to limit choices to those acceptable to corporate elites.
2) The exclusive consequence of the act of voting in 2016 will be (if in a contested “swing state”) to marginally increase or decrease the chance of one of the major party candidates winning.
3) One of these candidates, Trump, denies the existence of global warming, calls for increasing use of fossil fuels, dismantling of environmental regulations and refuses assistance to India and other developing nations as called for in the Paris agreement, the combination of which could, in four years, take us to a catastrophic tipping point. Trump has also pledged to deport 11 million Mexican immigrants, offered to provide for the defense of supporters who have assaulted African American protestors at his rallies, stated his “openness to using nuclear weapons”, supports a ban on Muslims entering the U.S. and regards “the police in this country as absolutely mistreated and misunderstood” while having “done an unbelievable job of keeping law and order.” Trump has also pledged to increase military spending while cutting taxes on the rich, hence shredding what remains of the social welfare “safety net” despite pretenses.
4) The suffering which these and other similarly extremist policies and attitudes will impose on marginalized and already oppressed populations has a high probability of being significantly greater than that which will result from a Clinton presidency.
5) 4) should constitute sufficient basis to voting for Clinton where a vote is potentially consequential-namely, in a contested, “swing” state.
6) However, the left should also recognize that, should Trump win based on its failure to support Clinton, it will repeatedly face the accusation (based in fact), that it lacks concern for those sure to be most victimized by a Trump administration.
7) Often this charge will emanate from establishment operatives who will use it as a bad faith justification for defeating challenges to corporate hegemony either in the Democratic Party or outside of it. They will ensure that it will be widely circulated in mainstream media channels with the result that many of those who would otherwise be sympathetic to a left challenge will find it a convincing reason to maintain their ties with the political establishment rather than breaking with it, as they must.
8) Conclusion: by dismissing a “lesser evil” electoral logic and thereby increasing the potential for Clinton’s defeat the left will undermine what should be at the core of what it claims to be attempting to achieve. Chomsky
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"I am a member of no organized political party-I am a Democrat." - Will Rogers
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Here's the reason I am not yet nervous (kinda-sorta) about Clinton losing per -NYT: If she won Virginia and the states carried by Mr. Obama where she’s not airing advertisements (including Michigan, Maine, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin), she would have 260 electoral votes — just short of the 270 needed to win. She could win with Ohio or North Carolina or Florida. If she lost all of those three states, she could win with any two of Colorado, Nevada, Iowa and New Hampshire.
I think she wins them all.
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A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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And Florida may be becoming more red(if that's really possible) Currently Clinton is dropping in the polls and Trump is rising. You can probably count us red in this upcoming election.
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Huh: New Rasmussen poll shows … Hillary ahead Some things about this poll: it started Monday at the beginning of the DNC; Rassmussen is consistently conservative; Rasmussen is consistently volatile.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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From the comments under that article, I don't know if it's accurate but I think so. Republican nominee Donald Trump gained 17 points in roughly two weeks, according to the Reuters online tracking poll. On July 14, 2016, Trump was 15 points behind Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton 46.5 percent to 31.5 percent. However as of July 26, 2016, Trump closed that 15 point gap and is now up two points over Clinton, 40.2 percent to 38.5 percent.
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Rasmussen is consistently wrong. I don't even look at their numbers.
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Rasmussen is why I rely on FiveThirtyEight.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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