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And in the world of neoliberal horseshyte: 20 Years Later, Poverty Is Up, But Architects of “Welfare Reform” Have No Regrets
A GATHERING MONDAY in Washington, D.C., featured a bipartisan group of former government officials agreeing on the benefits of slashing the nation’s safety net.
This week marks the 20th anniversary of “welfare reform,” the 1996 law passed by Congress and administered by President Bill Clinton that strictly limited the amount of federal cash assistance that the poorest Americans can receive — transforming the Aid for Families with Dependent Children program into the more restrictive Temporary Aid for Needy Families.
One of the main impacts of the law was to help double the number of American households living in extreme poverty in America – defined as living on less than $2 a day. The Intercept
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I've lived in apartments in cities, in a condo, in houses within walking distance of major shopping centers, and I am very reluctant to give up our current rural setting. Community is a big issue- at least among the folks I know  Many people move to cities because there is more to do there, because there is a concentration of their particular minority there, etc "Community" is created by the people who live there. I've lived in suburbs, the inner city, rural communities, and apartment complexes. In every one of those locations, I have found people who I get along with famously and who bind together into community, and people who are reluctant to interact (despite my best efforts). Many people look for commonalities - and they form internet groups, clubs, social organizations of various kinds - we are a gregarious species. (BTW, some of these formulations are NOT healthy - consider the alt-right and ISIS.) I don't think a UBI would directly impair any of those connections, and, indeed, might enhance them. Consider how much more likely it is to make connections with your neighbors when you have less concern about "getting by". Consider Maslow's "Hierarchy of Needs": "physiological", "safety", "belongingness" ... when the lower level needs are removed we can move to belongingness - community. It is the desperation of need that destroys community.
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And in the world of neoliberal horseshyte: 20 Years Later, Poverty Is Up, But Architects of “Welfare Reform” Have No Regrets
A GATHERING MONDAY in Washington, D.C., featured a bipartisan group of former government officials agreeing on the benefits of slashing the nation’s safety net.
This week marks the 20th anniversary of “welfare reform,” the 1996 law passed by Congress and administered by President Bill Clinton that strictly limited the amount of federal cash assistance that the poorest Americans can receive — transforming the Aid for Families with Dependent Children program into the more restrictive Temporary Aid for Needy Families.
One of the main impacts of the law was to help double the number of American households living in extreme poverty in America – defined as living on less than $2 a day. The InterceptBill Clinton built that. 
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....Consider how much more likely it is to make connections with your neighbors when you have less concern about "getting by"... My co-workers and I are feeling the 'getting by' phenomena. We work for a good company - but those good wages only come after five plus years of service. I'm only in year two unfortunately. A year from now, I'll be doing better, but, that's a YEAR FROM NOW. Three years from now, I'll be doing spectacular - nearly 1.75 times more than I make today. 
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Bill Clinton built that.  That be him 
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 To be fair: Bill Clinton allowed that 20 years ago. 20 years ago we did not know what the result would be (although many of us had our suspicions). Neither Bill nor Hillary Clinton support those reforms now - with 20 years of experience. That was then, this is now. Now, to get back to the topic at hand... Of Course We Can Afford A Universal Basic Income: Do We Want One Though? It’s possible that you think $13,000 a year isn’t enough. It’s certainly not going to be a plush lifestyle by American standards, not when someone decides to do no work at all to top it up. But it’s also true that $13,000 a year puts you in the top 12% of all global income earners. It would be nicer if there was some more significant digit there, like $13k puts you into the global 10% or something, but that does seem a fair enough guarantee to get purely through the privilege of having been born an American. One aspect of Murray's plan that I disagree with is getting rid of Social Security. Indeed, I see UBI as a supplement to both Social Security and universal healthcare. Moreover, having Social Security gives one an incentive toward gainful employment. Maybe call it "UBI Plus".
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I only learned this year what the affects of that legislation were. What I learned, and Bill Clinton knew this when he signed the legislation, is that any person with a felony could not receive any federal monies: student loans, work training, food stamps, housing.
What demographic does that hurt the most? Which demographic gets a disproportional heavier sentence?
While neither Bill nor Hillary may support those policies now, the fact is that those poliices are still enforce today, and, Bill at least, has to live with what he did.
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In fact, no. In April of this year slick Willie was still defending his failed neoliberal policy. Everything Bill Clinton said Thursday to defend his 1996 welfare reform law was false.
Clinton claimed that he left the program with plenty of money for poor people, suggested that it helped reduce black poverty and that it was only the mean, nasty Republicans from the George W. Bush era who gutted it and hurt the poor. Clinton’s distortions of economic history and his own record are so outrageous that — you will be shocked — it is difficult to believe he was being honest.
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This is not true. Poverty dropped during the Clinton years not because of welfare reform, but because the entire American economy was being juiced by a massive stock market bubble. No credible economist even disputes this. The Clinton bubble was fueled by the aggressive financial deregulatory policies of Clinton and his Federal Reserve chairman, Alan Greenspan. When the stock market bubble burst, millions of people who previously would have received welfare fell into poverty.
Welfare reform was an intentional effort to curb financial assistance to poor people, on the grounds that many were simply too lazy to get a job. Clinton turned over a federal program to states, which were effectively allowed to slash welfare funding and impose new work requirements on people who received assistance. Even Republican co-architects of welfare reform concede that the program ended up hurting the poor. HuffPo
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And I think that this is germane to the discussion. We are talking about how to implement a safety net (of sorts) for the population. Clinton's policy is the perfect example of what NOT to do. A UBI, in my opinion, would need to stay as far away from the neoliberal quagmire as possible. So how it is implemented is just as important (if not more) than what is implemented.
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The Psychological Argument for a Universal Basic Income Many modern families face scarcity of time, scarcity of money, scarcity of affordable housing, and scarcity of jobs. With all of these things to worry about, it follows that families with few resources face compounding barriers that limit their already stretched cognitive capacity. And while California and New York’s minimum wage increases mitigate the negative psychological impacts of scarcity, more can be done to strengthen American families who face a tough labor market and scarce resources. A universal basic income (UBI) that provides a monthly cash benefit to all adults and a smaller monthly benefit to children will allow for a decent minimum standard of living for all people, regardless of work status.
Whereas the minimum wage increase has benefits largely for low-income employees, a UBI would be advantageous for all members of the population, an important point considering that middle-class American families are increasingly coming into contact with scarcity. Despite gains in economic productivity, largely due to technological advances and a globalized economy, the labor force in the United States has not seen these gains in their paychecks; wages have largely remained stagnant since the 1970s. BASIC INCOME SWITZERLAND. Even though the Swiss rejected the UBI proposal, the debate is not over, and even those voting against it agree that it will continue to be considered. (A fundamental argument against it was that $2500/month was too high to be "basic".)
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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