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Keynes believed that government intervention could reduce the excesses of Capitalism. But, when the government is owned by the corporations, (as in the U.S.) the intervention favors the capitalists FASCISTS.  The destruction of Labor Unions would be an example. Also fascist territory, as there are plenty of capitalist economies which still welcome, and benefit from, union participation. It is only the FASCISTS who are interested in destroying unions.
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Your pipe dream of some happy campfire singalong between labor and capital is a non starter. You cannot give one example of where it works. GERMANY.
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Actually- according to DW 1 in 6 Germans lives below the poverty line. The threshold is $1015 per month for a single person. Also recent stats show overall poverty at highest since reunification- 15.4%
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Keynes believed that government intervention could reduce the excesses of Capitalism. But, when the government is owned by the corporations, (as in the U.S.) the intervention favors the capitalists FASCISTS. The destruction of Labor Unions would be an example. Also fascist territory, as there are plenty of capitalist economies which still welcome, and benefit from, union participation. It is only the FASCISTS who are interested in destroying unions. Welcome may not be the right word: tolerate perhaps.
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The reason I have focused on UBI rather than a guaranteed job is because there need to be jobs available. I'm not sure that will soon be the case. It also requires that the recipient be employable, which could further decrease the pool. On the other hand, there are government needs that could be handled by "conscripted" labor, such as park maintenance.
My overarching concern with guaranteeing a job is the tremendous overhead required - hiring, selection, management, supervision.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Socialism triumphed long ago -- it exists solely for the rich.
"Free enterprise", red in tooth and claw, is for the poor, as it always has been.
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The utopia I envision is eons away and a hopeless dream, I acknowledge. But to me it is essential that at least some of us do our best to live that dream.
All; the rest is versions of failure. But just once could we dream? What can you imagine life might be like in that dream?
I contend that whatever you can dream and imagine is at least as worthwhile as reasons why it cannot work.
Life is a banquet -- and most poor suckers are starving to death -- Auntie Mame
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Actually- according to DW 1 in 6 Germans lives below the poverty line. The threshold is $1015 per month for a single person. Also recent stats show overall poverty at highest since reunification- 15.4% One in six is better than we're doing.
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Welcome may not be the right word: tolerate perhaps. Volkswagen stated that they were not interested in a plant in Tennessee if it could not be unionized. This was not the employee statement, it was management and the CEO.
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The utopia I envision is eons away and a hopeless dream, I acknowledge. But to me it is essential that at least some of us do our best to live that dream.
All; the rest is versions of failure. But just once could we dream? What can you imagine life might be like in that dream?
I contend that whatever you can dream and imagine is at least as worthwhile as reasons why it cannot work. Good on ya, Phil.
You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
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