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The problem is, it might not be eons away. AIs are getting better, much better. Deep learning AI can actually perform many human jobs better the humans can do it NOW.
Don't forget, we are in a singularity here. The curve is getting steeper all the time, and as soon as we have robots making smarter robots we get saturated with them within a few years. Probably the limit on this is energy, but the robots can crank out PV panels and fusion would blow that limit away. Then there would be very few jobs that needed and made economic sense for a human's time.
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Welcome may not be the right word: tolerate perhaps. Volkswagen stated that they were not interested in a plant in Tennessee if it could not be unionized. This was not the employee statement, it was management and the CEO. This would be the same Volkswagen that: It's been dubbed the "diesel dupe". In September, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) found that many VW cars being sold in America had a "defeat device" - or software - in diesel engines that could detect when they were being tested, changing the performance accordingly to improve results. The German car giant has since admitted cheating emissions tests in the US. Which ended with this: Just two years ago, Volkswagen was actively supporting the United Auto Workers in its push to organize the company’s plant in Chattanooga, Tenn.
But in September, the German automaker was plunged into turmoil over revelations that it had equipped almost 600,000 diesel cars sold in the United States with software to cheat on tailpipe emissions tests.
Since then, a large portion of Volkswagen’s senior management has changed — and so has its approach to the union drive. Now, rather than cooperating with the U.A.W., Volkswagen is trying to block the union.
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Actually- according to DW 1 in 6 Germans lives below the poverty line. The threshold is $1015 per month for a single person. Also recent stats show overall poverty at highest since reunification- 15.4% One in six is better than we're doing. It is, but Taiwan at 1.5% is much better and so is Malaysia at 3.8% and even Thailand 7.8%.
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Socialism triumphed long ago -- it exists solely for the rich.
"Free enterprise", red in tooth and claw, is for the poor, as it always has been.
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I contend that whatever you can dream and imagine is at least as worthwhile as reasons why it cannot work. Indeed. 
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The problem is, it might not be eons away. AIs are getting better, much better. Deep learning AI can actually perform many human jobs better the humans can do it NOW.
Don't forget, we are in a singularity here. The curve is getting steeper all the time, and as soon as we have robots making smarter robots we get saturated with them within a few years. Probably the limit on this is energy, but the robots can crank out PV panels and fusion would blow that limit away. Then there would be very few jobs that needed and made economic sense for a human's time. Then the 62 people who control half the world's wealth will simply find a way to liquidate most of unnecessary peons of the planet. They will certainly treat us as they do any other redundant equipment in their factories. .
Once, weapons were manufactured to fight wars; today, wars are manufactured to sell weapons
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Zeke said:
It is, but Taiwan at 1.5% is much better and so is Malaysia at 3.8% and even Thailand 7.8%. Um. Does it matter that all three of those countries reportedly use slave labor in their fishing industries?
Just a Missouri school teacher ... stubborn as a mule and addicted to logic.
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Zeke said:
It is, but Taiwan at 1.5% is much better and so is Malaysia at 3.8% and even Thailand 7.8%. Um. Does it matter that all three of those countries reportedly use slave labor in their fishing industries? Why would it?
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Shouldn't there be a range of numbers to rate how far below the poverty line people are? You know, so that the working poor in America score minus one point each; people on Welfare, living in homeless shelters in America score minus two points each; slaves anywhere in the world score minus 10 points each.
It's a matter of degree, I guess.
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It's a simple number of relative poverty. Do you happen to know what percentage of the population is in this so-called slave work? Proof?
I'd be interested in any metric you come up with, provided it's based on fact and logic.
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