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That's a great idea, PIA.
If they couldn't do it live, with the right team I bet they could get it out with just a bit of time delay.
Just a Missouri school teacher ... stubborn as a mule and addicted to logic.
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PIA, you're trying to take the fantasy out of the circus. Circuses aren't fun without the clowns and the fantasy.
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them."
Lenny Bruce
"The cleverest of all, in my opinion, is the man who calls himself a fool at least once a month."
Dostoevsky
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...THAT would be informative. It's not really a debate if one of the parties lies all the time. I did a little probing on a Rightie blog, asking if people thought there should be fact-checking by moderators. It's a legitimate question for discussion, there being a slew of 'technical' problems with carrying it out. But there is also the issue with what PIA said above. However, the response by Trump supporters is bluntly "No"... I wonder if they are actually aware that Trump lies all the time and know that fact-checking would destroy him as a candidate? If so, then why do they support him? Might as well have a bumper sticker saying, "I'm Voting for the Compulsive Liar for President!!" Of, course, at this point they will always say that Hillary is a bigger liar, while refusing to list any of her supposed lies. If Clinton was the bigger liar, I'd think her opponents would welcome fact-checking.
You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
R. Buckminster Fuller
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Loggy said:
If Clinton was the bigger liar, I'd think her opponents would welcome fact-checking. Touche! 
Just a Missouri school teacher ... stubborn as a mule and addicted to logic.
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I've gone through this angst over many cycles- like many of you, I cannot get my head around how anyone can support as chronic and excessive liar as Donald Trump, but it is because I, like you, am applying the wrong metric. We tend to put a premium on things like "facts" and "reality", but that is not Trump's appeal. His appeal, like all demagogues, is to emotion. My fear is that the hard sell will work at the end, and then what? Really, we're screwed. No one has been less prepared to occupy the oval office in a century, and these are, as they say, "interesting times." North Korea, Russia, Iran and China are chomping at the bit to go crazy on the goofball Trump, whose bravado is only exceeded by his sheer ignorance.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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i think you can find numerous anecdotes from Trump supporters who believe what you call lies are really not lies but liberal media saying they are lies and they are therefore truths
gorilla thumping
once there was lightness
now dark seas swallow
ignorance is the enemy
without equality there is no liberty
America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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This is exactly true. Since the “mainstream media’ is reporting the “lies” uttered by Trump, they are indeed nothing but lies. Put forth my the MSM.
Everything the Trumpster says is true. Because he says it is. Therefore it is. So.
Let me say this--about that.
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
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It would be nice if the networks carrying the debate would put a fact check display on screen in real time. POLITICS Bloomberg TV will conduct ‘onscreen fact checks’ in real time during tonight’s presidential debate source
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Fellas, what's the mystery? If his lips are moving he's lying. No need to check any facts.
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them."
Lenny Bruce
"The cleverest of all, in my opinion, is the man who calls himself a fool at least once a month."
Dostoevsky
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