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One site even had the regulars ganging up on the more liberal participants with a clear purpose of driving us off - in my case, banning me. Those blogs are echo chambers, where the regulars are not interested in discussing contrary ideas, they just want them to shut up while they bloviate on whatever crap floats through their minds. One thing that makes rational discussion extremely difficult is the lack of consistent meaning of words and labels. For instance, "Conservative" once meant something fairly definable and dependable. Now there is no telling what someone means by it. On the site I referred to above, Golem also participated, but was barely tolerated because he was suspected of being too "Liberal" (another label that has a widely variable meaning these days), especially after he supported a few of the comments I made on that site. It was impossible there to discuss any of this, it was all just blind attacking without any consideration for what I was saying. Now that's what I call an echo chamber.
You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
R. Buckminster Fuller
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An inquiring mind wants to know... is RR an echo chamber?
I have heard that it was once a conservative site. It is obviously a liberal site now; why is that? It's certainly not from banning opposing voices, as the last person banned was an obnoxious uber-Liberal. The one still shown in the penalty box was an incomprehensibly wacko insult machine - I don't think I ever grokked her political leanings. I don't recall anyone else being silenced in my now eight years here, though most of the conservatives have left.
I have been banned by numerous right-wing blogs (maybe 8?), though never for breaking the rules - they just can't stand being talked back to by anyone with supportable facts. Those are certainly echo chambers.
So I'll rephrase the question: Why is RR dominated by progressives/liberals? I admit to being the one to suggest to logtroll that RR appears to be a liberal echo chamber. Yes, everyone here is not of the same mind like a hive mind. You do have disagreements of different points along the liberal scale, but it is the same liberal scale. I see frequent mentions at numerous liberal channels/sites of right wing "echo chambers" as if they are the only ones that have them. Au contraire. I recently got banned at a liberal channel for merely expressing my opinion. I did not break any rules either. They just did not want to hear a different opinion expressed. I see this frequently in the Disqus channel system. There is also a lot of ugliness involved with the send off. This is why I don't usually bother going to those places, because it just is not worth the aggravation. I must have had temporary insanity that day. This not to say the right does not have their echo chambers also and they can get nasty too. I just find it interesting that some feel that the intolerance only happens with the right. Rest assured it does not. I am happy to say I have not experienced that personally here. I will finish by saying that I have observed that some have difficulty with being in a mixed political crowd without resorting to snark and baiting. This happens equally on both sides. Oops, I forgot that logtroll felt that I was too shy to introduce the subject and he did it for me. Bless his heart. He is so sweet. No it is not a matter of shyness, just a matter of getting used to a new system and seeing the lay of the land.
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...There is also a lot of ugliness involved with the send off... Bye Felica. (  I kill me!  )
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...There is also a lot of ugliness involved with the send off... Bye Felica. ( I kill me! ) lol...no, much worse than that i assure you.
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I am happy to say I have not experienced that personally here. 
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...There is also a lot of ugliness involved with the send off... Bye Felica. ( I kill me! ) lol...no, much worse than that i assure you. That's our inside joke. 
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I am happy to say I have not experienced that personally here. hmmm..well there was that once. But, it is forgiven.
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I like having very different views expressed. Sometimes they are "OVERexpressed", but I am pretty tolerant of that. I do think that, contrary to the past, RR has become more left-leaning, but I think that the echo has been dampened by good acoustics. That allows a variety of expressions to be heard.
One thing that katydid would not be aware of is the numerous times that I have tried to a) recruit reasonable right-leaning participants, and b) provide defenses for conservative views. At points in my life I have been accused of being a conservative (especially by those still to my left), but it really depends on the topic. At the same time, I have become QUITE frustrated by the "only-one-view-is-acceptable" crowd, and that seems, in my experience, to exist predominantly on the right. I think that this is perhaps a result of the predominance of that viewpoint in the political sphere. In my experience, however, the views that I hold are really more prevalent (if various scientific polls and surveys are to be believed) in the population as a whole.
I'd even be willing to bet that many to the right of me would share similar views on many topics (say, tax rates), if they would take the time to listen. That may be something that Donald Trump will end up bringing many people to agreement on - I doubt very many people would support his maintenance of his lifestyle by depriving the rest of us of the resources he has had available.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Even among us Libs, we have differencing opinions of Hillary. Zeke and I are pretty much on the same page on that one and we have buttheads with Hillary supporters. But, it's all good.
Every day Trump makes Hillary look like the right choice. Damn you Trump!!!
(Gary Johnson's faux pas don't help him either.)
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I like having very different views expressed. Sometimes they are "OVERexpressed", but I am pretty tolerant of that. I do think that, contrary to the past, RR has become more left-leaning, but I think that the echo has been dampened by good acoustics. That allows a variety of expressions to be heard.
One thing that katydid would not be aware of is the numerous times that I have tried to a) recruit reasonable right-leaning participants, and b) provide defenses for conservative views. At points in my life I have been accused of being a conservative (especially by those still to my left), but it really depends on the topic. At the same time, I have become QUITE frustrated by the "only-one-view-is-acceptable" crowd, and that seems, in my experience, to exist predominantly on the right. I think that this is perhaps a result of the predominance of that viewpoint in the political sphere. In my experience, however, the views that I hold are really more prevalent (if various scientific polls and surveys are to be believed) in the population as a whole.
I'd even be willing to bet that many to the right of me would share similar views on many topics (say, tax rates), if they would take the time to listen. That may be something that Donald Trump will end up bringing many people to agreement on - I doubt very many people would support his maintenance of his lifestyle by depriving the rest of us of the resources he has had available. We need to discuss taxes some day. I think we could have a good discussion on that.
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