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Watching the VP debate. Pence loves to dominate the talk while dodging the questions. Both are very nimble but Kaine is speaking from his mind, Pence is sticking to the temious talking points.
You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
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Pence never answers the questions. Probably because he can't.
You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
R. Buckminster Fuller
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Lawrence O'Donnell just made a very good point: Pence gave a lot of sound bites for Clinton's campaign, but Kaine didn't reciprocate.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Kaine is weak, as has been noted here many times in the recent past. His convictions are not very convincing. Pence, while being a right wing bigot, is very sure of his convictions. Not that I think this debate will matter one whit. Both have the charisma of wet rag. I don't think they'll add anything to the respective campaigns.
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them."
Lenny Bruce
"The cleverest of all, in my opinion, is the man who calls himself a fool at least once a month."
Dostoevsky
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that is what i heard
Trump supporters said Gov Pence offered detailed solutions but what I heard was variations of simple motifs of make America great or their solution to ISIS is to defeat them ... their solution is law & order is law and order .... their solution for the economy is reduce taxes ... etc
the contrast with Sen Kaine was actual detailed plans .... 5 pt .... 3 pt ... etc
ignorance is the enemy
without equality there is no liberty
America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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The "style" points go to Pence, the "substance" points go to Kaine. Interestingly, the "avalanche of insults" was just quoting Trump...
I have an idea for a video: it starts with an empty apple barrel, then with overdubs of Trump, people start putting rotten food in the barrel... migrant farmworker..."Their rapists" thud... women's hands. "pig", "slob"... military sleeves, "Generals are rubble", "Soldiers are weak", "not captured"... thud, thud, thud... then the tag line over an image of a fly-swarmed, dripping barrel of rotten food with a Trump-Pence sign attached... "Hungry yet?"
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Another video -- quotes of Trump/Pence saying things... then videos of them denying that. Wait, I just saw it. Mike Pence To America: Trump Never Said Those Things He Said - HuffPo
Last edited by NW Ponderer; 10/05/16 03:31 PM.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Moderator Elaine Quijano caught in multiple lies! She kept referring to Kaine and Pence as "Gentlemen."
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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The "style" points go to Pence, the "substance" points go to Kaine. Funny how the liar can win on style, innit it? What's that say about the electorate? Saw this somewhere yesterday: "Liar, liar, Pence on fire!!"
You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
R. Buckminster Fuller
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I think the fallout from the debate is going to be against Pence... since he so frequently - really frequently - denied verifiable statements.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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