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It would be an interesting experiment to give people who had no pre-knowledge of the candidates transcripts of the comments made at the debate, without identifying who was speaking, and ask them to choose a president.
You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete. R. Buckminster Fuller
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Hillary Clinton 10/09/16 Debate: Well, like everyone else, I’ve spent a lot of time thinking over the last 48 hours about what we heard and saw. You know, with prior Republican nominees for president, I disagreed with them on politics, policies, principles, but I never questioned their fitness to serve.
Donald Trump is different. I said starting back in June that he was not fit to be president and commander-in-chief. And many Republicans and independents have said the same thing. What we all saw and heard on Friday was Donald talking about women, what he thinks about women, what he does to women. And he has said that the video doesn’t represent who he is.
But I think it’s clear to anyone who heard it that it represents exactly who he is. Because we’ve seen this throughout the campaign. We have seen him insult women. We’ve seen him rate women on their appearance, ranking them from one to ten. We’ve seen him embarrass women on TV and on Twitter. We saw him after the first debate spend nearly a week denigrating a former Miss Universe in the harshest, most personal terms.
So, yes, this is who Donald Trump is. But it’s not only women, and it’s not only this video that raises questions about his fitness to be our president, because he has also targeted immigrants, African-Americans, Latinos, people with disabilities, POWs, Muslims, and so many others.
So this is who Donald Trump is. And the question for us, the question our country must answer is that this is not who we are. That’s why — to go back to your question — I want to send a message — we all should — to every boy and girl and, indeed, to the entire world that America already is great, but we are great because we are good, and we will respect one another, and we will work with one another, and we will celebrate our diversity.
These are very important values to me, because this is the America that I know and love. And I can pledge to you tonight that this is the America that I will serve if I’m so fortunate enough to become your president.
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In the aftermath, reading everything I can about the debate, it seems the biggest moment of the debate was when DJT threatened to prosecute and jail his opponent. Trump will MAGA by making America a Banana Republic.
He also called her "The Devil"
And said that his pussy grabbing statement was nothing but words while Bill Clinton's extramarital affairs were actions. He cheated on both his former wives.
All in all, he cemented the votes of his most rabid supporters but likely gained no new voters. It has been shown in the past that while the radical right wing is perhaps the most vocal of American voters(though Bernie Bros rivaled them for a while) they are not a majority.
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In the aftermath, reading everything I can about the debate, it seems the biggest moment of the debate was when DJT threatened to prosecute and jail his opponent. Trump will MAGA by making America a Banana Republic.
He also called her "The Devil"
And said that his pussy grabbing statement was nothing but words while Bill Clinton's extramarital affairs were actions. He cheated on both his former wives.
All in all, he cemented the votes of his most rabid supporters but likely gained no new voters. It has been shown in the past that while the radical right wing is perhaps the most vocal of American voters(though Bernie Bros rivaled them for a while) they are not a majority. 
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Donald is MAKING ME WANT TO VOTE for Hillary Clinton. Seriously!! 
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Someone has coined the words "Banana Republicans" after Trump's promise to jail Clinton. 
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Someone has coined the words "Banana Republicans" after Trump's promise to jail Clinton.  Exactly. It's something Putin would do: jail political enemies. 
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Birth of the Trump News NetworkPeter Wehner The New York Times October 10, 2016 ...Trump did well enough to keep his campaign from blowing apart, but he didn’t do nearly well enough to get it back on track. During the next four weeks, it will help voters make sense of his conduct if they understand that Trump, a former reality television star, is no longer chiefly interested in running for president. He’s auditioning for his next entertainment gig. On Sunday night, he was thinking of his brand rather than his campaign, his future audience share rather than his electoral vote count... Full article
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He'll feel right at home in the fact free world of talk seamy talk show hosts. They will adore him, just as they adored Sarah Palin for a while, but as time passes and this campaign is swept under the rug as another nightmare the United States has survived, he will just be another aging and irrelevant talking head on the wrong side of history. He and his minions are already being left behind by a changing world, their raging against the machine drowned out by the noise of the machine as it forges it's way into the future. Goodbye Donald Trump and goodbye to your hopes of making America hate again.
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I hope you are right Greger.
But I have the sinking feeling we as a nation are doomed. Perhaps that’s the way it’s supposed to be............. And was written by gawd--by golly.
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
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