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Life is a banquet -- and most poor suckers are starving to death -- Auntie Mame
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I guess that's what con men do... And he has millions of marks. Oh well - the bigger the con the easier it is to believe I guess.
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them."
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ok ... i must be a little or a lot dense as i do not see the con
1. he is correct about using the media with no money ... what is the con?
2. how to accomplish sucking oxygen from anything ... say outlandish things .... what is the con?
he is what he is .... he is the greatest
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... and you think he told that nation this?
Life is a banquet -- and most poor suckers are starving to death -- Auntie Mame
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based on my recollection .... yes
he stated many times he did not need nor want contributions since he was running a low money campaign ... he thought it smart and media pundits noticed more than once how he accomplished actually getting the limelight without any money ... media savvy i suppose
as an extension of that please notice conservatives routinely say outlandish things (i sometimes think they do that for some contest of the most outlandish things one can say ... the prize? .... column inches in the media or they are just idiots) .... Mr Trump has captured that paradigm with gusto ..... whether he believes it or not, it got column inches
now the following would be a con .... he is ostensibly running for office while having the ulterior motive of arranging a "mainstream" audience for steve bannon and the alt-right
i am not sure i can argue he is conning anyone or only people who are willing to be conned are ever conned
ignorance is the enemy
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That is how cons work.
I heard a good analogy today saying Trump is the "John the Baptist" laying the ground for the true demagogue to follow.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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I am not sure if Snopes cosiders that to be their function. Never the less: Trump nailed this point. He hasn’t needed to spend much at all to stay in the limelight. He can simply say horrible things and the media blasts his face everywhere. That doesn’t necessarily mean he believes the things he says, just that he knows what his base believes and will express those beliefs publicly...... And that’s my point. The only thing this man believes is what the polls derived from the various extreme right wing sites tell him to say. And on those Mr. Trump does indeed deliver. It does not matter if Mr. Trump believes any of these talking points or not. For him--they work. And that’s all that matters.
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
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The Faust DialecticFaust enters into a pact with Mephistopheles...who empowers Faust to obtain the pleasure he seeks. Faust then seduces Gretchen. But, in doing so, he indirectly causes the deaths of Gretchen's mother, her brother and eventually Gretchen herself... Faust realizes that he, like Gretchen, her mother and her brother, has become a victim-of Mephistopheles... Gretchen has been seduced by Faust; Faust has been seduced by the devil. The Faust tale generates several microdialectics. In the first, the thesis is the predator (Faust), the antithesis is the prey or "victim" (Gretchen) and the synthesis is predator = victim (Faust). Predator and victim are united in Faust, who is both. He is the synthesis. Leonard Wheat
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and in a continuation, could one say someone such as Sen Cruz would make a real demagogue?
The only substantive difference I see between the two is Sen Cruz will impose his religious views on the People and work toward the End Times. I suppose one could say his appeal is a sort of religious populism or to use a term already in the lexicon, dominionist.
does your source have some details?
ignorance is the enemy
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