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Originally Posted by pdx rick

What a bunch of a$$hats. Look in the fvcking mirror, dude.


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She is right: Here is yet another reason these arrogant fools lost:

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Much of the district is Democratic and those voters strongly supported Bernie Sanders in the primary. That result didn’t surprise me, but it did infuriate me that Clinton and her team didn’t show up until the weekend before the primary, when it suddenly became clear they had a problem. I took Bill Clinton grocery shopping that Saturday — too little, way too late. They never stopped on a campus; never went to a union hall; never talked to the Arab American community. Sanders was in my district 10 times during the primary. How would any sane person not predict how this one would go?

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This is a topic I wanted to address. Wither the Democratic Party?
Populism has two connotations: 1 positive = actually addressing the needs of the population and 2) negative = a con man/woman feigning to address the needs of the people.
What we have seen, from Dems and Trump alike, in this last cycle is the second type. Bernie was an exception. But they (the DNC) made sure he was pushed aside.

Glenn Greenwald has the most on point analysis of this phenomenon and, rather than repeat what he is saying, I offer it as a strarting point for this discussion.

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THE PARALLELS BETWEEN the U.K.’s shocking approval of the Brexit referendum in June and the U.S.’ even more shocking election of Donald Trump as president last night are overwhelming. Elites (outside of populist right-wing circles) aggressively unified across ideological lines in opposition to both. Supporters of Brexit and Trump were continually maligned by the dominant media narrative (validly or otherwise) as primitive, stupid, racist, xenophobic, and irrational. In each case, journalists who spend all day chatting with one another on Twitter and congregating in exclusive social circles in national capitals — constantly re-affirming their own wisdom in an endless feedback loop — were certain of victory. Afterward, the elites whose entitlement to prevail was crushed devoted their energies to blaming everyone they could find except for themselves, while doubling down on their unbridled contempt for those who defied them, steadfastly refusing to examine what drove their insubordination.

The indisputable fact is that prevailing institutions of authority in the West, for decades, have relentlessly and with complete indifference stomped on the economic welfare and social security of hundreds of millions of people. While elite circles gorged themselves on globalism, free trade, Wall Street casino gambling, and endless wars (wars that enriched the perpetrators and sent the poorest and most marginalized to bear all their burdens), they completely ignored the victims of their gluttony, except when those victims piped up a bit too much — when they caused a ruckus — and were then scornfully condemned as troglodytes who were the deserved losers in the glorious, global game of meritocracy.

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she is a very, VERY flawed individual.

Sometimes in life, character trumps everything else - and many denied this reality.

And yet she was beat by someone with absolutely NO character at all. I think you may be confused here. Try to think of a "Hillary flaw" that is not magnified beyond all comprehension by Republicans. She is not perfect, but nobody is. Her "flaws" are 1/1000th of those of Donald Trump, and he won.

I still think she was the better Democratic candidate. (At least she WAS a Democrat!) White people just were not ready for a woman.

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Comey.


A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.

Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
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she is a very, VERY flawed individual.

Sometimes in life, character trumps everything else - and many denied this reality.

And yet she was beat by someone with absolutely NO character at all. I think you may be confused here. Try to think of a "Hillary flaw" that is not magnified beyond all comprehension by Republicans. She is not perfect, but nobody is. Her "flaws" are 1/1000th of those of Donald Trump, and he won.

I still think she was the better Democratic candidate. (At least she WAS a Democrat!) White people just were not ready for a woman.

Yet she lost to the person who was so much worse confused
You are judging by your own standards which only inform your opinion. Apparently almost 50 million people don't agree.
Misogyny is only a part - and not a very big one seeing how many votes she lost among women - of the equation. The appeal was not there. And the Dems ran a flawed campaign. And her unfavorable rating was in the high 50s. And...


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Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
Comey.
White women. Hmm


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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
I still think she was the better Democratic candidate. (At least she WAS a Democrat!)
Analysts are now saying Bernie would have beat Trump. But, we all know how all that analyzing worked so well before...

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White people just were not ready for a woman.
So very misogynist of those while folks. coffee


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We will never know if Bernie would have won or not. It is an exercise in futility to speculate about that. What is interesting is to see what he will do now. That I am waiting for with bated breath.


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All of these polls just tell us how the Republican's favorite "Democrat" would have done if they kept on endorsing him. If he had won the Democratic primaries, the Republicans would have gone into full rabid-dog attack mode. First thing they would have done is revealed how he is a Communist. Which of course he's not, but would the good old boy's at the VFW hall understood the difference?

Then they would drag up his writings from his 20's and his associations with pedophiles. Then... It would have been as brutal as their attacks on Hillary, and they wouldn't care at all how dishonest it was.

Bernie would have ended up with only highly-educated Socialists voting for him. 5% maybe?

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