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Trump is already backpedaling on the ACA (Obamacare). I am not sure whether he realizes that he does not have all that much say about it. I suspect, Congress will use him for his ability to use a pen. https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...-trump-is-already-waffling-on-obamacare/
"You can't demand freedom of speech and then say, but don't say bad things about me. You gotta be a grown-up and take your hits." George Clooney
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yes, i immediately imagined conservatives eyes wide open, slobber running down their chin, rubbing hands as if to say dessert is here ... Mr Trump will be their tool to implement their agenda to pull the rug from under Americans
on the positive side one could envision the possibility a conservative agenda will severely affecting America to the point people have to ask, is this what we wanted???
ignorance is the enemy without equality there is no liberty America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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Trump, like Bush, will veto almost nothing (assuming he knows what a "Vito" is... "not a financial backer?"). Bush, in 8 years, exercised the veto 12 times, rubber stamping almost everything that the GOP legislature proposed. Senate References Obama has only vetoed 3 measures, but has faced so much less legislative production it is unprecedented.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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the people who thought they could use the democratic system to vote themselves to a free meal Awww, how cute, a multi-syllabic euphemism. Nice one, swede!  Do I take this to mean that you view ALL liberals, or even all non-Trump voters, as being "people who thought they could use the democratic system to vote themselves a free meal?" Wow dude, crucial taunt! But we're not going to talk about all the Nazi swastikas being painted everywhere, are we? You do know that's YOUR boys at work, yes?
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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I suspect, Congress will use him for his ability to use a pen. Certain slogans stick in my craw. Did I miss an election somewhere along the line? CONGRESSMAN Grover Norquist??
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Sarah Palin as SecInterior?!? ![[Linked Image from i1308.photobucket.com]](http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s616/rogerr6/Screen%20Shot%202016-06-17%20at%2010.04.18%20AM_zpsfunbvubp.png)
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Sarah's antics will make for some GREAT comedy, at least.
She actually fits right in with the free stuff crowd, coming from a state that prides itself on self-reliance and then sends every citizen a big check every year.
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Against my better judgement I find myself trying to unwrap bigswede's point (that means I'm assuming there actually is an unwrappable point...)
Here's what I've got: this is what many 'conservatives' see as the motivation for 'liberals' - getting free stuff because they are lazy and don't want to work. That is a meme that has been assiduously developed by the right wing propagandists over the last many decades (becoming obvious during the Reagan years, "welfare moms", remember?)
My motivation for a more social approach to living together is that it has more potential to be better - cheaper, less stressful, more healthfully productive, less destructive to the planet.
'Conservatives' are threatened by such things, believing that we can't trust our fellow human beings. As Trump has shown, that attitude can be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Their world view is; the best approach to life is to 'get yours' before someone else gets it.
Social vs anti-social. Trust vs fear. Of course there are infinite degrees in between... Your'e not making any sense here. Just slinging out politically inflammatory misconceptions.
Cowardly men always plot to label Freedom as anarchy!
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the people who thought they could use the democratic system to vote themselves to a free meal Do I take this to mean that you view ALL liberals, or even all non-Trump voters, as being "people who thought they could use the democratic system to vote themselves a free meal?" But we're not going to talk about all the Nazi swastikas being painted everywhere, are we? You do know that's YOUR boys at work, yes?No, I'm referring to the people rioting in the streets, destroying property that isn't their's. How could you think otherwise? No, none of my boys would be painting Nazi swastikas. Why would you try to label (libel) me like that?
Cowardly men always plot to label Freedom as anarchy!
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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the people who thought they could use the democratic system to vote themselves to a free meal Do I take this to mean that you view ALL liberals, or even all non-Trump voters, as being "people who thought they could use the democratic system to vote themselves a free meal?" But we're not going to talk about all the Nazi swastikas being painted everywhere, are we? You do know that's YOUR boys at work, yes?No, I'm referring to the people rioting in the streets, destroying property that isn't their's. How could you think otherwise? No, none of my boys would be painting Nazi swastikas. Why would you try to label (libel) me like that? If you supported Trump, them's your boys. Not ALL Trump supporters are Nazis, but it's quite clear that ALL Nazis really ARE Trump supporters and Trump made absolutely no effort to call them out. The people rioting in the streets are made up of a wide variety of types. Just this once, the media ACTUALLY decided to do their job properly, attributing much of the violence and vandalism to "anarchist groups" which showed up, as they always do, in cities like Portland, Oakland and Seattle. Here in L.A. the vandalism has been very rare, the violence even rarer. Our protests have been noisy and messy but overall they have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests despite the fact that the size of the crowds are historically large. And even still, local news identified opportunistic outliers who even identified themselves openly. See that Capital "A" with the circle? These are NOT Democrats, socialists or even left of center independents. They ARE in fact ANARCHISTS, related to the Black Bloque and other nihilist factions. They believe in NOTHING except the destruction of ALL systems regardless of ideology. Your initial comment is a whitewash broad sweeping generalization which fits your overall narrative, namely that ALL liberals are spoiled children who never work, and who live to be offended by something, anything. In post after post, I get the notion that you see liberals as a vast communistic conspiracy focused on America-hating and over the top entitlement at the expense of poor working stiffs. It's okay, you're entitled to drink from the well which mixes up that drink but don't call it water when it's really something closer to: ![[Linked Image from ejuiceconnoisseur.com]](http://ejuiceconnoisseur.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/dfw-vapor-brawndo1.jpg)
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