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first, he will be faced with a repeal bill (or something tantamount to equivalency) which he will sign .... oops .... did I mention the replacement bill? .... that is because there is not one

should they ever get to one, it will not address the funndamental problem of ACA was meant to solve .... rising entitlement costs due to rising healthcare costs .... notice the words carefully .... rising health care costs

insurance has no choice but to follow the trend of rising health care costs or the carriers go out of business .... no Republican/conservative plan addresses those rising costs in any way ...

it is another example of the magical thinking of conservatives i.e. costs go down because of competion across state lines


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I doubt Trump will just meekly sign anything the Republicans in Congress send him. That just isn't him. He has consistently held positions that are NOT standard Republican positions.

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January 3rd... The New Congress will get sworn in, and will then spend the rest of the day patting themselves on the back for getting mostly re-elected, despite a 9% approval rating...

January 4th, the Senate will certify the electoral college, and then we descend into hell for at least 4 years... (with some things still being felt 50-75 years later). On that same day, Paul Ryan will be re-elected Speaker.

Then Congress will go on vacation until January 17th...

On January 17th, Mitch McConnell will invoke the Nuclear Option, and remove the filibuster... making it so the Democrats won't even have to bother coming to work for the next 2 years, the Republicans will just pass every odious bill and confirm every ChristoFascist Judge with a simple majority.

Simultaneously, Paul Ryan will propose to the House the only Clean Bill he's EVER Written... 2 words... "Repeal ObamaCare".
It will be forced thru a vote in less than 30 minutes, with Democrats locked out of making statements, and passed with all Republicans and many of the Blue Dogs, eager to please their new masters, voting for it...

It will then be rushed to the Senate, and because it's actually a "clean bill", it will be voted on in a matter of minutes, with McConnell blocking any debate or filibuster, remember, he killed the filibuster...

It will pass with lockstep Republican support, and a few traitorous Democrats...

Then, it will be rushed to the White House on Friday January 20th, where it will sit for the weekend, until after everyone's hangover from the inauguration weekend, and giving the White House Communications director time to get all the cameras into the Oval office...

Monday, January 23rd, Trump will plant his ass in the chair, on live TV, pull out a pen, and while signing the death warrant of ObamaCare, casually quip... "You're Fired!"...


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And then on Tuesday the 24th, 20 million people will march on Washington DC, burn the White House and Congress buildings to the ground and string up all the Republicans they can find.

Just as likely as your scenario.

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The major post-election issue seems to be getting the people who thought they could use the democratic system to vote themselves to a free meal to stop destroying other peoples property.
There is a moral-educational question in here somewhere!


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Good luck finding it.


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Originally Posted by bigswede
The major post-election issue seems to be getting the people who thought they could use the democratic system to vote themselves to a free meal to stop destroying other peoples property.
There is a moral-educational question in here somewhere!

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Against my better judgement I find myself trying to unwrap bigswede's point (that means I'm assuming there actually is an unwrappable point...)

Here's what I've got: this is what many 'conservatives' see as the motivation for 'liberals' - getting free stuff because they are lazy and don't want to work. That is a meme that has been assiduously developed by the right wing propagandists over the last many decades (becoming obvious during the Reagan years, "welfare moms", remember?)

My motivation for a more social approach to living together is that it has more potential to be better - cheaper, less stressful, more healthfully productive, less destructive to the planet.

'Conservatives' are threatened by such things, believing that we can't trust our fellow human beings. As Trump has shown, that attitude can be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Their world view is; the best approach to life is to 'get yours' before someone else gets it.

Social vs anti-social. Trust vs fear. Of course there are infinite degrees in between...


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Originally Posted by logtroll
Against my better judgement I find myself trying to unwrap bigswede's point (that means I'm assuming there actually is an unwrappable point...)

Here's what I've got: this is what many 'conservatives' see as the motivation for 'liberals' - getting free stuff because they are lazy and don't want to work. That is a meme that has been assiduously developed by the right wing propagandists over the last many decades (becoming obvious during the Reagan years, "welfare moms", remember?)
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The irony, if one can stomach irony at this point, is that many (and I do mean many) of the Trump supporters claimed to have voted for him because ACA was too expensive and they wanted FREE healthcare. They also wanted lower mortgages, and NO taxes - so who was it that actually wanted the FREE STUFF?


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Originally Posted by Ezekiel
...They also wanted lower mortgages, and NO taxes - so who was it that actually wanted the FREE STUFF?
Right - another glaring example of ConROT... Conservative Rule of the Opposite Thang.


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