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I never said that. They were a part of the Trump win, not the only one and most likely not the most important one.
Any label tends to generalize and I have been fervently against using labels. Just a more expedient way of communicating.

I didn't finish that point. From my perspective, the brainwashed members of the 'white working class' have been stomping on facts, logic, and rational thinking. What sort of a pansyassed liberal would think they are the victims of the press?

How?

Meaningless.
They have been sold a narrative. They voted for Obama. Where do they get their narrative? Who has been doing the selling?
What sort of nincompoop thinks they don't want the same things most people want: work, healthcare, a decent place to live, education for their kids, etc.

Not by sitting on yer ass.

Hey, aren't you the guy who posted an article saying that the problem has been 'elite' journalists insulting the 'white working class'?

I know you think there is a point there... wither went it?

do you hear what you are saying????

if you have to brainwash someone you have no point. It is just an exercise in psychology, not a change on political philosophy.

Limbaugh had it right several years ago, when he said conservative have to elucidate a cogent message which will appeal to the masses. They have no spokesman to accomplish that because they have no message.

Likewise, liberals need to find the message which will appeal to people.

True and an exercise in torture as well.


Indeed.

For all the talk of "building a new party" there is smoke but, here in Murrikuh, very little fire. In fact, said "builders" are notoriously ABSENT when it is time to chop the wood.

Note that all the Jill Stein 2016 avatars are disappearing faster than former Nazis in late 1945. (hat tip to Snarky Politics for that observation)

Note that all the third parties are fast reverting to hibernation mode, with an 800 number and a P.O. Box, for the next 3.5 years.
And true to form, they will reemerge, like the locusts and nattering nabobs of negativity they are, to suck off even more votes in 2020, but once again nary a city, county, state or congressional presence will be there to back them up with actual presence and actual power.

Hence all the nattering.

Building a party, a THIRD party, an actual standup third party with the juice to knock over one or both major parties, is a generational project, one which I doubt I would live long enough to actually see blossom to fruition.

The Greens in the EU and the UK spent the last twenty years doing the hard work and they only JUST RECENTLY were finally acknowledged as a formidable coalition partner in those parliamentary legislatures.

Which brings me to my next point, parliamentary versus BICAMERAL.
Are we truly able to carve deeply enough to alter the structural framework OF our legislature, when we can't even get our wailing and gnashing of teeth recognized as legitimate?

So, stop all this talk of building parties unless we are ready to knuckle down and sacrifice our own lives to this work, satisfied in the knowledge that most likely it will be our children and grandchildren who actually see the rewards of our efforts.
That's JUST HOW BIG that dream really is.
It's as if we are immigrants in our own land right now.
We are the new immigrants, and we're stuck with an absentee landlord who has already surrounded himself with the right wing bubble that he is going to live in for the next four years. The voices he will hear are the ones who carved out our fate at the dawn of the millennium, the ones who were the architects of all the failures, all the wars, all the globalist job sucking ventures, all the outsourcing, all the vindictive reactionary pogroms against the working class.
And they are joined by the theocrats who now intend to govern in earnest.
Embrace the horror and know your captors.
Ain't no party building gonna happen when we're bleeding out.