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We just lived through 8 years of worst case scenario. 82 straight months of job growth. 14.4 million jobs added, unemployment peaked at 10% in 2010 and is now only 4.9% Average income for the bottom 99% grew 3.9% in 2015, the best growth in 17 years Obama has delivered a bull market for stocks and the housing market has finally recovered. Domestic oil production is way up, gas prices are way down. Oil imports are down 53 percent, and wind and solar power have quadrupled. I could go on, Tim, but I think you get my drift. Things could have been a lot worse. I'm a little bit worried about Donald Trump, but I'm gonna give him a chance. Maybe you're right and tinkle down economics will work this time. Maybe Republicans will actually improve things instead of making them worse. We'll just keep an eye on the numbers and see how this hopey changey thing is gonna work out for you guys.
Good coffee, good weed, and time on my hands...
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Greger, a succesful Democrat IS the worst case scenario for a rightie.
You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
R. Buckminster Fuller
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IRS ... Clinton Foundation I am absolutely sure they will be fine because they have been completely transparent for years. Regarding all Trump's generals, I am actually pretty happy with them. You have to be pretty competent and pretty good at running a large organization to obtain that rank. And I think the armed forces are a meritocracy rather than a club for rich boys spending their Daddy's money and believing they are "investors". Read Colin Powell's autobiography to see what an uneducated, simple-minded gaggle of incompetents and feathering-their-own-beds untermenschen the American top brass are. Don't look for hope to those don't-rock-the-boat, self-absorbed, stab-each-other-in-the-back, scheming military bureaucrats. . .
Once, weapons were manufactured to fight wars; today, wars are manufactured to sell weapons
It is far easier to deceive folks than to convince them they are deceived
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Log, you hit the nail squarely on the head.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Just wait until the IRS starts to audit the Soros' and Clinton Foundation. Remember, you all told me that you weren't worried about that when they hassled the tea parties. , that's pretty provocative. Perhaps you could supply some evidence of such claims? I certainly don't remember any such discussion. Or maybe it was because it never happened?
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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IRS ... Clinton Foundation I am absolutely sure they will be fine because they have been completely transparent for years. Regarding all Trump's generals, I am actually pretty happy with them. You have to be pretty competent and pretty good at running a large organization to obtain that rank. And I think the armed forces are a meritocracy rather than a club for rich boys spending their Daddy's money and believing they are "investors". Read Colin Powell's autobiography to see what an uneducated, simple-minded gaggle of incompetents and feathering-their-own-beds untermenschen the American top brass are. Don't look for hope to those don't-rock-the-boat, self-absorbed, stab-each-other-in-the-back, scheming military bureaucrats. . . Indeed! 
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them."
Lenny Bruce
"The cleverest of all, in my opinion, is the man who calls himself a fool at least once a month."
Dostoevsky
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What needs to be done... The election of America’s most prominently parasitic and malicious real estate capitalist to Chief Executive says “this is what happens, Larry.” An economic system based on predatory finance, making money through exploitation of labor, extraction of the planet, and the financial leverage of money itself, gets us mass immiseration, deep cultural divisions, irrationality-as-ideology, fake populism, incipient fascism. The 2016 election was an indictment of extract-and-exploit capitalism, not a vindication of it. Breathe deeply knowing that. Keep talking about it. More and more people will want to talk about it.
You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
R. Buckminster Fuller
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Regarding all Trump's generals, I am actually pretty happy with them. You have to be pretty competent and pretty good at running a large organization to obtain that rank. And I think the armed forces are a meritocracy rather than a club for rich boys spending their Daddy's money and believing they are "investors".  I am sorry, I do not mean to be disrespectful or belittling your post. From personal experience, many of the military's leaders (Officers) are ticket punchers only interested in the next promotion, and the next leadership position. Many are good leaders, like Gen Colin Powell, (Ret), but he was a leader, a ticket puncher and a politician. Being a good leader in the military does not equate to being a good leader in government or business, three different types of leadership. Most generals are ignorant of how and why things are done in the unit(s) they lead. My 2 cents
Vote 2022!
Life is like a PB&J sandwich. The older you get, the moldery and crustier you get.
Now, get off my grass!
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Being a good leader in the military does not equate to being a good leader in government or business, three different types of leadership. Most generals are ignorant of how and why things are done in the unit(s) they lead. Neither is being a CEO of a bumbling "Name Brand" business good preparation for being President. As we are be shown daily...
You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
R. Buckminster Fuller
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I've seen the best and worst of General Officers, Ujest, so I have to concur. It appears that we'll get some of each under Trump as well. (Flynn, really?! He GOT FIRED for being a paranoid for gossakes!) We are about to enter an unprecedented period of our history, and that is not hyperbole. We have never had as unqualified or unprepared an individual as Trump win a nomination since Wendell Wilke (you remember his administration, right?). The difference, though, is that Wilke was a lawyer, and a principled man, so he had at least a rudimentary concept of how government worked, which Trump STILL does not. It is becoming clearer and clearer as time progresses that the voters who selected Trump were/are living in an "alternate reality" - where facts don't matter, or even exist. Trump, his supporters, and the persistence of the ‘reality gap’. Among the demonstrably false beliefs held by Trump supporters: * Unemployment: Under President Obama, job growth has been quite strong, and the unemployment rate has improved dramatically. PPP, however, found that 67% of Trump voters believe the unemployment rate went up under Obama – which is the exact opposite of reality.
* Stock Market: Since the president was elected, the stock market has soared, nearly tripling since the height of the Great Recession. PPP found that 39% of Trump voters believe the market has gone down under Obama – which is also the exact opposite of reality.
* Popular Vote: As of this morning, Hillary Clinton received roughly 2.7 million more votes than Donald Trump, but PPP nevertheless found that 40% of Trump voters believe he won the popular vote – which is, once again, the exact opposite of reality.
* Voter Fraud: Even Trump’s lawyers concede there was no voter fraud in the presidential election, but PPP found that 60% of Trump voters apparently believe “millions” of illegal ballots were cast for Clinton in 2016 – which isn’t even close to resembling reality. Add to that the President-elect's penchant for tweeting falsehoods to his followers, and the need for public plaudits from adoring fans, and we are indeed in for a very, very rough ride.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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