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Sure a lot of women voted for Hillary. (As did I.) Thus she won the popular election by 2.9 million votes. Problem was they did not vote for her where it counted.
In Wisconsin:
White women non-college graduates 34% Clinton 62% Trump
The numbers don't lie. I assume men are idiots, but I thought even uneducated women would prefer not to have a molester running things.
Just an example, I am sure you can find similar numbers throughout the MidWest. If you actually bother to look at the numbers you will see that I'm not sexist, just very disappointed in them. I think you will be too.
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Maybe it was because this was an epic your for not voting.“Several million voters didn’t come out to vote,” Becker said. “Which is telling me that this idea of the Trump wave, a huge number of voters shifting over to Trump, is certainly not the story.”
Nationally, the number of people who voted for Trump were only slightly ahead of those who supported the last Republican presidential candidate, Mitt Romney, in 2012.
But Becker said that while turnout in purple states like Florida and Pennsylvania had a slight uptick this year, at least 19 other states saw lower turnout rates compared with 2012, a scenario that is antithetical to presidential-year voting that tends to increase each cycle when an incumbent is not a part of the race.
According to Becker, turnout rates dropped by 1.3 percent in Iowa, 3 percent in Wisconsin and nearly 4 percent in Ohio in 2016, a combination that became a death knell for Clinton’s presidential hopes in areas where Obama performed well during his two terms. Sure a lot of women voted for Hillary. (As did I.) Thus she won the popular election by 2.9 million votes. Problem was they did not vote for her where it counted.
In Wisconsin:
White women non-college graduates 34% Clinton 62% Trump
The numbers don't lie. I assume men are idiots, but I thought even uneducated women would prefer not to have a molester running things.
Just an example, I am sure you can find similar numbers throughout the MidWest. If you actually bother to look at the numbers you will see that I'm not sexist, just very disappointed in them. I think you will be too. I didn't vote this election - first time in my life. I just couldn't vote for Hillary/Kane. If it were Hillary/Bernie I would have. Hillary by herself grated on my nerves, she was arrogant, she didn't even campaign in WI because she thought she had WI in the bag - hubris, arrogance. Hillary came off as entitled instead of simply being gracious for the opportunity to even be considered POTUS.
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If you actually bother to look at the numbers you will see that I'm not sexist, just very disappointed in them. I think you will be too. PIA, that was unbelievably condescending. I DO actually read and look things up. For example how much crap Hillary Clinton was accused of and how much of it was flat out wrong or at the very least exagerated. I don't understand why you hold white women(52%)more responsible than white men (63%) for electing Donald Trump. Maybe YOU should analyze what happened by reading more. Women Aren't Responsible For Hillary Clinton's DefeatIt's man's world and sorry you don't get that. The accusation leveled at women voters is clear: They didn’t just betray the woman who tried to shatter the ultimate glass ceiling, they also failed each other.
The problem is that accusation is misleading at best and inaccurate at worst. To start, assertions that Clinton did not win over women voters are simply not true. A majority of women backed Clinton over Donald Trump, 54 percent to 42 percent. Exit-poll data indicates that 94 percent of black women and 68 percent of Hispanic women voted for Clinton. “If only women voted in this election [and no one else], Clinton would have won,” commented Kelly Dittmar, a scholar at the Center for American Women and Politics at Rutgers University. “I think that this narrative about Clinton failing to win white women really overshadows the strong support she had among all women, and women of color in particular.” To understand that kind of calculation, consider how one white woman voting for Trump explained her support to New York magazine ahead of the election:
There isn’t any perfect person on the planet. I heard that he said something about groping women, and I’m thinking, Okay, No. 1, I think that’d be great. I like getting groped! I’m heterosexual. I’m a woman, and when a guy gropes me, I get groping on them! I grope them back. Groping is a healthy thing to do. When you’re heterosexual, you grope, okay? It’s a good thing. Try it. .....suggests that far from failing to convert white women to her cause, Clinton actually succeeded in winning the votes of at least some white women for whom support for the Democratic candidate in the election was never a given.
According to Pew Research data, most women identify as Democrats, but white women are more likely than not to identify as Republican. That suggests that white women did not abandon Clinton, since many were likely to vote for the Republican candidate regardless of who ended up as the nominee for either party. Yet even so, Clinton still managed to win 51 percent of college-educated white women to Trump’s 45 percent—a partisan reversal from the 2012 election when then-Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney won 52 percent of college-educated white women while Barack Obama won 46 percent.
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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Clearly voters, particularly ones in WI, MI, and PN, don't care about 'job experience' as evidenced by them voting for, and thus, electing a community organizer law professor, followed by a narcissistic lying businessman that has filed bankruptcy over four-times stiffing his investors and blue-collar workers who preformed work for him. The soul-searching that is being done as a result of our loss, and America's loss, needs to be honest about WHY we lost.  You're right about WI and MI but I've been to the State of Pneumonia. They're just flat out too sick to vote at all. 
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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Simple. When you add up everything, we lost because Republicans cheat. They just did it better this time. They have had 30 years to practice making crap up about Hillary. Then Comey came along. The fake news stories. All the Russian agents posting on American websites. And on and on and on... That's only a partial reason why but it IS indeed a very LARGE part. I remember Karl Rove running up and down the stairs at Fox in 2012 in utter disbelief that the evil machinations of the GOP had failed. He had probably bet the farm on his team winning. And so it goes, he probably had a little meeting afterward, much like the angry coach of a losing ball team.
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Condescending, no. Disappointed that lots of white women voted for a monster, yes. It's right in the articles you quoted: A majority of women backed Clinton over Donald Trump, 54 percent to 42 percent. Exit-poll data indicates that 94 percent of black women and 68 percent of Hispanic women voted for Clinton. Black women obviously know who the enemy is. You keep on quoting nation-wide numbers where Trump lost by millions, and numbers that lump all female votes together. I'm talking specifically about Trump's very high support among White women in those supposedly Democrat-safe states. They prefer a male monster over a vastly more experienced and qualified woman. There is something wrong with their self-esteem. When 2/3 of the White women in a white-majority state vote for Hitler, Hitler's gonna win. (Because men are idiots and will vote for Hitler every time.) I was counting on women to do the sensible thing, but they failed. Evidently Black women are a lot smarter than White women. Maybe because all their lives those Black women have been victims of men like Trump. Note that I'm not attacking you at all here. You have the right to vote for anybody you like. I'm just saying that voting for Trump is extremely anti-woman and so a woman voting for Trump has done something really, really self destructive. Here is a link: Clinton Couldn't Win Over White Women If 6% of Black women hate themselves and their gender enough to vote for Trump and over 60% of white women hate themselves and their gender enough to vote for Trump even though he is blatantly anti-women and a serial molester, then that represents an awful lot of self-loathing.
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